MK has earned a reputation as a fighter in Germany and has put his butt on the line for his VT numerous times against people of various backgrounds (other KF styles, MMA, etc..) who have come to test him out.
---Great! Those are the clips I would like to see! Why are none of them up online?
Neither of these guys are from the same line, and you know that. You have been told.
---Are they not both WSLVT???? Are you now saying that Phillip Bayer's version of WSLVT is the only "real" thing?
A pretty useless application, since he rarely accomplishes anything by it and doesn't know what to do once he gets it on. Looks like a display of dominance, more than anything.
---But an "application" nonetheless. So what it comes down to is that we have video of WSL himself teaching applications from the forms. We have video of various people from different branches of the WSLVT lineage doing applications. So maybe it is Phillip Bayer that came up with this idea that WSLVT has absolutely NO applications??? Realize I'm not saying that as a bad thing. Systems should grow and evolve and each prominent teacher should use their own insight. I'm pointing this out as a very possible explanation for what you have been saying for awhile on different forums and what we actually see on-line. You keep saying go and study WSLVT if I really want to know. But apparently I couldn't go to David Petersen, Gary Lam, Wang Xi Ping, Jai Harmon, or Jerry Yeung. And it seems that list just keeps getting longer and it is seeming like you really mean I need to go and train with a Phillip Bayer student. And you tend to try and generalize what you write about as being "real" Ip Man VT", when it doesn't even seem to generalize to all WSLVT. There just seems to be a disconnect here somewhere. And I know....you are going to point out to me that I have been told numerous times that the disconnect is because Ip Man taught only a very few (it seems only WSL) his "real" and complete system and all the others either didn't stay around long enough, weren't good enough students, or have gone off and filled in gaps due to incomplete knowledge. I'm just still not sure I buy that.