OT: Question for Those familiar with rap

**Kristoffer** · 03-06-2002, 10:17 AM

Justa Man- thx alot for mentioning them!! Fecking opened my eyes on hip hop. Really, I look upon it in a different way now. That made me start digging after other stuff wich stands out. I dunno if u heard of Terror Squad, but they were awsome too..

I'll check that out, thx

**Sharky** · 03-06-2002, 11:17 AM

Rock NEEDS rap to survive. Rap does not need rock.

**Colin** · 03-06-2002, 11:37 AM

But......isn't rap just aload of s!it spewed out by dumb fuk ignorant street scum, that have no education, and can't even sing.

Surely rap is just afro-american drug induced gibberish, that has nothing to do with anything apart from drugs and guns!

Or am I just getting old?

C..........

**Abstract** · 03-06-2002, 12:55 PM

"...what is hip hop if it doesn't have violence?
chill for a minute Doug E Fresh said silence."

name that quote that quoted another song.

Leo i wasn't tryin to dig you earlier dunn. I personally can't stand rap/rock fusion cause it's never done right 'cept for a few standouts. I thought Rage was good, even Mos Def has his band, Blackjack Johnson, they're ok too. Not to jock the Mighty Mos, but he's a talented cat. Sings Jazz, Rock, and can rhyme his arse off. He still can't touch Tip, who is dropping his new joint the end of April. Check that out. But to get at what I quoted earlier, Hip Hop culture's breeding grounds is on my gif. Without tha SOUTH BRONX we would have no rap. It started HERE. SO if anyone doesn't LIKE it, you really have to COME from the element to appreciate it in it's entirety. Sure the intellecutal conscious music spands across all nationalities & borders, but not everyone can identify with the thuggish image, and vice-versa. You need both. It's one aesthetic that needs the other to balance it out.

peas

**Justa Man** · 03-06-2002, 12:55 PM

you're welcome kristoffer. but i think sharky should hunt down this colin character, glue earphones to his head and pump only the finest nwa cuts.

**norther practitioner** · 03-06-2002, 12:59 PM

Don't sleep on J-Hova...most just hear his poppy stuff, hes still got some dope rhymes. As far as non gangsta rap, well, if you think that they are too far and few between, then you are not looking in the right places. There is a lot of it around, look for more local stuff, check out yo flaco. There are also a lot of cool jam, acid jazz, hip hop groove type stuff coming around.

**ewallace** · 03-06-2002, 01:05 PM

Rock NEEDS rap to survive. Rap does not need rock.

Ummm, I seriously doubt that. Rock has been around much longer than rap. That is why there is Heavy Rock, Death Metal, Grunge...etc. Rap is starting to do the same as rock did by expanding into different styles of rap. Music styles have to evolve or they die. Notice no one raps like Run DMC today. It is going in different directions. I see Outkast being to rap what Nirvana was to rock in the early nineties. It is evolving into being more musical as well. Not just a beat and rhymes.

**nightair** · 03-06-2002, 01:46 PM

Sorry Leonidas, I wasn't trying to explode or anything. Its cool that you like what ever you like, that was just my opinion about it. In the Bay Area we have a very diverse musical culture. Bay Area metal is pretty much the best and where it was born , same with west coast rap.

**Skarbromantis** · 03-06-2002, 02:25 PM

"...what is hip hop if it doesn't have violence?
chill for a minute Doug E Fresh said silence."

name that quote that quoted another song.

Self Destruction....

Skard1

**Yung Apprentice** · 03-06-2002, 02:36 PM

Not all rap is violent. And not all rap is strictly african-american. There are a lot of latinoes in the game now, some white ppl are stepping up too, and a few asains.(I'm talking about here in the States) To dub them "ignorant" is absurd. I'd like to see you paint a picture with words, and still have it rhyme. Or "storytell". Many talk about there lives and what they've seen and been thru. Which is why many hear about the ghetto things. But just because your from the ghetto, doesn't mean that your uneducated. It just means you can't relate.

On a different note, I really don't like Jigga. Or rockafella for that matter. I know he is good lyrically, but he just doesn't appeal to me.

I also like some rap/rock stuff. Could it be that those who don't favor it, also don't believe in MMA?

Just pulling some of your chains. I'm listening to P.O.D. right now! If you don't like that, then don't say anything.

**Kristoffer** · 03-06-2002, 03:04 PM

I can relate to u not liking Hovas more pop-ish songs like izzo and girlsgirlsgirls.. Not really brilliant

But some of his other stuff, alot from the blueprints. Hearth of the city.. fecking great.
Unsung is better though.. alot

**Leonidas** · 03-06-2002, 07:39 PM

That was a pretty sh!tty thing to say Colin. I dont like the the route most commercial rap music is going, but to call it "Afro American Drug Induced Gibberish" is just fu(king wrong. Sharky is proof that rap music has spread to other places in the world like Europe. I know its big in Asia and Japan especially. Thats the beauty of music, it can be made by anyone in the world and you dont have to speak the language of its origin. Maybe you should listen to some of it before you make stupid comments, and not just the garbage on MTV. I'd call rappers like Jigga man dumb fu(ks but not everyone rapping is a moron.....................Look at me defending rap, who would of imagined it

**jon** · 03-06-2002, 07:53 PM

Colin
I dont actualy agree with you BUT!!!
Anyone who can walk in on a conversation about rap music and say what you just said is just to darn cool

Its my dream to walk into a new age hippy grunge concert with soap and a firehose and just start insisting that people wash

Take a large magnet along to a punk concert.

Dress up in a tux and go along to a gothic band

Go to a Michael Jackson concet and make loud accusations about child molestation. Keep screaming 'HE'S MELTING, HE'S MELTING KEEP HIM AWAY FROM THE LIGHTS!' over and over again.

Go see Metalica and proclaim loadly that all metal fans are closet gheys. What the hell is wrong with pastel colours anyway!

you have my props that was a cool post

**ZhouJiaQuan** · 03-06-2002, 10:10 PM

Som of my favorite mcs are(in no particular order)
Talib kweli -too many peeps by sleeping on him-
Mos Def - needless to say
(him and talib in blackstar)

Dead Prez- there album "lets get free" is hot (they studied some Martial arts too)

*Saul Williams - he is more kinda like a poet/philosopher but put out an album a few months back called "Ameythest Rock Star" - very different from most everything out

(sorry i didnt read all the threads so hope i didnt repeat ish)

peace,
Wally

**Leonidas** · 03-06-2002, 10:20 PM

Yea real "cool" and "creative" way of stating your dislike of Hip Hop. You should take your act on the road.

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