Oh, and a general comment on the name of the thread. When I was recovering from knee surgery a few years ago I was getting REALLY frustrated with the slow process & lingering pain. A Buddhist nun I knew asked me how I felt about my knee & I told her I was impatient, angry, etc. She advised me to love my knee, have compassion for it. **** if that change in attitude didn't coincide with the pain level dropping dramatically. So, try to stop thinking "knees suck," it just might help. Good luck.