Too bad I missed the music. Actually they ripped on those vids on the Wing Chun forum. But I'm saying, how are you supposed to demonstrate a technique so that other people can see it distinctly? You demonstrate on your own scared little students, that's how. Something like boxing is easier to pick up on as an observer-- you have the bright gloves, only two limbs to watch. 4-limbed bare-handed fighting with grabs is harder to follow. A real wrestling match is also harder to follow, if you aren't familiar with the subtle moves and the balance considerations and all that. I'm sure that if the footage was of two wing chun guys free-sparring with gloves, you'd say where is the wing chun? I have video of a Wing Chun and a Mantis instructor free sparring at a moderate intensity without gloves - you can see their arts, because that's how they train. The fight goes to the ground a few times - natural in a free sparring situation, and as competant MA instructors they continued a few more seconds each time. But I thought the WT vids were good demonstrations, anyway, despite the weak attacks. You saw a lot of punches, elbows, knees, leg checks, intermediate -level grappling - stuff where I would say, yes that looks effective - no I don't have any doubt that the instructor could pull alot of this stuff off on a resisting opponent, however if he met a top-level sport fighter in a sporting context, he'd hold his own but probably lose, but I'd give him a slight edge over said sport fighter in the street, who would hold his own but probably lose. The techniques seemed simple and effective - it wasn't like he was utilizing the tornado kick defense against a knife or anything.