Originally posted by Black Jack
I have tried ZMA products and experianced what I believe was a little more lean muscle mass but again I was going really hard at it that month.

I am big into natural testosterone uptake methods. If you are looking to boost your body's production of androgenic hormones like testosterone than here are some supplements for you to look at....
Black Jack,
(Agreeing with you)
IT IS difficult to determine if the suppliment or the program is leading to enhanced performance. There's quite a bit of variability and many factors including diet, emotional state, etc and the list goes on and on.

Natural methods are the way to go.

fajing,

There's some evidence that test will increase slightly a few minutes after mast urbation (is that word censored here?).
So beat the ___ before you hit the gym. Lame jokes will be left to those more clever than I.