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    is sifu michael haley(earthdragon) ligit or not

    my name is dean economos and i've been studying martial arts for 35 years, 20 under master james shun and eventually became an 8 step preying mantis teacher under master james shun as a 5th generation preying mantis disciple. i've read all the controversy about his ligitimacy, mostly through paul lin, i don't know if it is true or not, but personnally i don't care. i've seen and felt his kung fu techniques first hand and so did many of my students through the years. and nobody that's seen it and felt it can deny his power and effectiveness in fighting. but if it is true about him, then it's unfortunate and i'm sorry for him the way he mislead people and especially me and my students. but it still doesn't change the fact that he was my teacher and i studied 8 step preying mantis and wu style tai chi from him. As far as i'm concerned the fighting techniques were very effective and still are, whether it's legitimate or not. i opened 2 schools in buffalo, new york and taught 8 step and tai chi for 12 years. i haven't been involved with master james shun and his federations for 4 years now, because of personal reasons. i still teach my version of 8 step preying mantis, wu style tai chi, in san francisco, california and i have a loyal following of about 70 students. the point i'm making here is a student of mine named michael haley was certified by me as a sifu to teach 8 step preying mantis and wu style tai chi . i'm not involved with any of the bull**** politics of the american chinese martial arts federation and neither is sifu michael haley. he was my student and i was the one who promoted him to sifu. and thats the way it is. As far as rumors of him presently being in jail i don't know one way or another, unfortunately i lost touch with him about 1-1/2 years ago. if anyone hears from him tell him to drop sifu dean a line. thanks

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    I'm confused. Are you talking about two different Michael Haley's or what?
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    Hmmm.

    Earth Dragon's last post on here was:

    3-19-2002.

    Quiet a loong time ago.

  4. The list of certified 8 step instructors is located at www.8step.com

    latez

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    Question

    Certified by whom?
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    there are more people that are qualified to teach 8step than are on that 8step website
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    Dude, where's my keys?
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  8. Yep, but Haley is not one of em.

    Geez, I'm so done with this retarded thread.

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    "As far as i'm concerned the fighting techniques were very effective and still are,"

    So who cares?
    If he is in jail... That sucks. I know a few people who may be kickin it in cell block 6 with em, trading cigs for various illegal things.

    "In choosing your dwelling, know how to keep to the ground.
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    In making a move, know how to choose the right moment.
    If you do not strive with others, you will be free from blame."
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    Nobody here even mentions ED anymore, other than the classis "dude, where's my keys?" thread...
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    Think he'll find his keys in jail?
    i'm nobody...i'm nobody. i'm a tramp, a bum, a hobo... a boxcar and a jug of wine... but i'm a straight razor if you get to close to me.

    -Charles Manson

    I will punch, kick, choke, throw or joint manipulate any nationality equally without predjudice.

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    If I could find my keys we could drive out of here.

    Mantidland, I don't think your list is very complete except within your own organization. That's all. That's why I asked, "certified by who".
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    "Think he'll find his keys in jail?"

    He'll find a lot more than keys if he bends over to pick them up.
    "In choosing your dwelling, know how to keep to the ground.
    In cultivating your mind, know how to dive in the hidden depths.
    In dealing with others, know how to be gentle and kind.
    In speaking, know how to keep your words.
    In governing, know how to maintain order.
    In transacting business, know how to be efficient.
    In making a move, know how to choose the right moment.
    If you do not strive with others, you will be free from blame."
    -Lao Tzu, Tao Teh Ching
    An eye for an eye leaves the world blind.

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    so who certified the people that did the certifying on the 8step website
    To know others is to have knowledge. To know oneself is to be enlightened.

    Does laziness always win, or can it not be defeated?

    The ULTIMATE in self defense:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QInKKHlB51g

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    Certificationers.
    "In choosing your dwelling, know how to keep to the ground.
    In cultivating your mind, know how to dive in the hidden depths.
    In dealing with others, know how to be gentle and kind.
    In speaking, know how to keep your words.
    In governing, know how to maintain order.
    In transacting business, know how to be efficient.
    In making a move, know how to choose the right moment.
    If you do not strive with others, you will be free from blame."
    -Lao Tzu, Tao Teh Ching
    An eye for an eye leaves the world blind.

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