Good grappling art

[45degree fist]

Maybe Saying a person deserves to be there is poor wording. I should say if you stay on the ground you deserve the consequences.

for meat shake
I have been in very real fights, been jumped, have witnessed riots, have lived through gang violence. I know going to the ground means getting kicked in the teeth, falling on broken glass, If you live in Phoenix, AZ like I do, in the summer it means having my skin burned off my body from the asphalt.

but maybe my demographics limit my thoughts on fighting.

so if this witch hunt is finished lets get back to the original question posted.


however this is a good conversation for another thread that people with more experience than our own can comment on.

[45degree fist]

heres something good

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...threadid=26913

[apoweyn]

so if this witch hunt is finished lets get back to the original question posted.

Talk about poor wording. I'm not disagreeing with you because I get my jollies off it, mate. We're just talking here. What's with the "witch hunt" stuff?

Whatever. Onward and upward, yeah?

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by 45degree fist
alright guy. lets just agree to disagree here. you obviously train to be able to fight on the ground and I train to recover my position. and I still stand by my statement if a guy legitimately takes me down then that means I did something wrong, and I deserve to be there.

Okay, let's just assume that your logic is sound, and you end up on the ground. We've established that you deserve to be there. Now that you're there, are you gonna use chin na to get back up? How do you plan to recover your position, since that's what you claim you train for?

[Merryprankster]

Methinks 45degree fist either is or trains with good old HKV. I'd recognize that attitude anywhere.

Yeah yeah... we know. The other guy always has a knife, a razor, a shank. The ground is littered with broken bottles, hypodermics infected with AIDS and mama's herpes encrusted panties. He invariably has friends that will kick the **** out of you as soon as you hit the ground...

Bleah.

Self-defense has far more to do with situational awareness than fighting skill per se anyhow. Which makes fighting *SHOCKER* a situationally dependent exercise!!! Say it ain't so!!!

Why do I train on the ground? From a self-defense perspective, so I can choose where to be rather than have somebody choose for me. Capiche, "guy?"

Ap, witch hunt because the poor boy is feeling persecuted. "Help, Help, I'm being oppressed..."

[Nick Forrer]

On the subject of BJJ

As far as books go 'BJJ theory and technique' by John Danaher, featuring Royler and Renzo Gracie isn't bad.

You can also get lots of free videoclips at www.wffchampionships.com
and at
www.subfighter.com

You have to be a member but its free to sign up and it doesn't take long

On the subject of Monty P and the Holy Grail

Arthur: (very angry) BE QUIET! I *order* you to be quiet!
Woman: "Order", eh, 'oo does 'e think 'e is?
Arthur: I am your king!
Woman: Well I didn't vote for you!
Arthur: You don't vote for kings!
Woman: Well 'ow'd you become king then?
(holy music up)
Arthur: The Lady of the Lake-- her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your king!
Man: (laughingly) Listen: Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government! Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some... farcical aquatic ceremony!
Arthur: (yelling) BE QUIET!
Man: You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!!
Arthur: (coming forward and grabbing the man) Shut *UP*!
Man: I mean, if I went 'round, saying I was an emperor, just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!

[scotty1]

lol, thanks for the dialogue.

[Samurai Jack]

Aikido, Judo, traditional Japanese Jujutsu, esp. Dan Zan Ryu. The last two are the roots of BJJ and I like 'em better. The Gracie 'tude has always just rubbed me the wrong way. I'm sure it's really great, but I'd rather stick with budo.

[Ultimatewingchun]

Check out: www.catchwrestling.com

This is Tony Cecchine's website. Tony is probably the best Catch-as-catch-can wrestler in the world today. I bought his premium package of video tapes about 10 months ago - (although I had first been exposed to catch many years ago). Tony's tapes are awesome.

I have great respect for jiu jitsu and other grappling arts...but catch wrestling is the best grappling I've ever seen.

I've been doing wing chun for 28 years now - and catch mixes very well with it.

[Yung Apprentice]

Taken off of the website:


"What is a hooker"

"most great Hookers WEIGHED WELL UNDER 200 POUNDS"

"The Hooker also possesses the tendon strength"







I would like to meet this HOOKER.

[Ralphie]

I've been studying CMA for 10+ years, and I study BJJ for ground fighting. I found the relationship between the 2 very nice. I have used my knowledge of concepts, such as the interplay of yin and yang, to better understand how to break down structure and position to attack on the ground. You can of course learn this without that knowledge, but it has helped me connect the dots so to speak. I have also used it as an opportunity to learn how to defend the takedown better. Ground fighting doesn't always mean that you are pulling guard. It could mean, amongst other possiblities, you have your knee on a guy's stomach pounding shyte out of him.
The limitation for most people with chin na is that if they don't perform the hold/break on the first try, they're usually out of position to continue with it. I look at chin na as situational, and not a "system" of fighting so to speak. I think Chin na can be effective, but it def. is a limited idea in regards to ground fighting/grappling.
On the whole if you end up on the ground you deserve what you get thing: If you wind up on the ground, and you don't know how to escape, possibly switch positions, or finish your opponent from what may seem a bad position, then you deserve what you get. For me, a scraped up back is better then being pinned on the ground, and having the crap beaten out of me.

[John Kogas]

I train in ground fighting. Whenever someone asks why, I tell them it's for the same reason I train self-defense to begin with -- because things happen whether I want them to or not.

People train self-defense to be prepared. Train ground fighting to be prepared for that.

Saying you won't end up on the ground could be thought of as saying that you're the greatest fighter in the world and that no one can take you down.

Both are ridiculous statements.

[secondregime]

What is BJJ?

[apoweyn]

Originally posted by secondregime
What is BJJ?

Brazilian jiujitsu. You mentioned taking a class or two of it on a different forum. Gracie jiujitsu.

[NPMantis]

http://www.kamonwingchun.co.uk/Brazi...0Jiu-Jitsu.asp