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    The Good Grappler vs. the Real Kung Fu Master

    Who would win a fight between these two invincible warriors, and why?

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    Trick question. They might be the same person.
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    Assuming a Good ground fighter isn't of equal skill to a "Real" kung fu Master, then the Master should win because his footwork and counters should be good enough to avoid the takedown. If they were of equal skill. . . . then I don't know.

    MP's right. There's no reason they can't be the same person.
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    AND, yea, a good bit of it is about whether you can fight with what you know...kinda all of it is about that.

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    Well, since the Chinese figured out a long time ago that slippery silk pajamas are the ultimate anti-grappling outfit, the grappler would have no chance. However, if the grappler has entered into his 3rd month of high school wrestling, then I may rethink my position.
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    For the most part we generally know what "good grappler" means. For this discussion I'll say that means the person is average at a number of ranges... takedown, throws, position, submission.

    What is a Real Kung Fu Master? I don't think any mention of one has ever been posted on here. Would that be a Shaolin Monk?

    I'll go with the good grappler to defeat the "whatever the hell a Real Kung Fu Master is" guy.

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    Well, my point is a master of _____ style should be better than someone who is merely good at _______ style (no matter what the art). If a good grappler can beat a kung fu master, then the guy isn't a real master.
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    AND, yea, a good bit of it is about whether you can fight with what you know...kinda all of it is about that.

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    Depends on if the kung fu master has any friends around, or is it a "controlled" environment like the UFC (read UNREALISTIC).
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    Depends on if the kung fu master has any friends around, or is it a "controlled" environment like the UFC (read UNREALISTIC).
    OOOoooo goody! Another hater! How Original!!
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    Originally posted by Judge Pen
    Well, my point is a master of _____ style should be better than someone who is merely good at _______ style (no matter what the art). If a good grappler can beat a kung fu master, then the guy isn't a real master.
    Anyone can be beaten, even a "master." Even Joe Montana threw a few intereceptions every year, and not everyone who caught one of those balls was a better player than him. A real master is someone who will win more often than not, not someone who can't be beaten.
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    Anyone can be beaten, even a "master." Even Joe Montana threw a few intereceptions every year, and not everyone who caught one of those balls was a better player than him. A real master is someone who will win more often than not, not someone who can't be beaten.
    Bull****! They were ALL better than Montana!!!
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    Originally posted by Merryprankster


    Bull****! They were ALL better than Montana!!!
    I was going to use Otto Graham as the example, but I doubt anyone outside of Ohio would have gotten the reference.
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    WD,
    First I was only going to give you a 2.2, but seeing as you actually got some responses, I have decided to re-score you at a 4.875






















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    Originally posted by Judge Pen
    Well, my point is a master of _____ style should be better than someone who is merely good at _______ style (no matter what the art). If a good grappler can beat a kung fu master, then the guy isn't a real master.
    Now that there is some indisputably conclusive circular logic

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    Considering that the 'real' kung fu master was a chef, not a Wu Shu exponent, the good grappler.

    Considering that the 'real' kung fu master fights with a 50lb broadsword and not empty handed - the RKF guy.

    Or it depends on a great many factors...what kind of grappling? How aware of each others tactics? Who just ate a big burrito? Who's wife is supportive? Who's is a nag? They fighting with weapons? They oiling up or wearing silk pajamas and on and on and on...

    Is it crossing hands or a deul? What kind of 'kung fu'?


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