Originally posted by Vyvial
TjD, many people don't want to open themselves to criticism up or show their actual skill level (their talk sau is much better than their chi sau) by putting themselves on video. I welcome valuable criticism even from those who just have no concept of what we are doing.
yeah well those people are p***ies i'd like to say i have a pretty good idea of how chi sau works, at least in my lineage (ip ching). personally, I like to play my chi sau at closer ranges - but you said you practiced this way as well (biu je sau), so more power to you. i just find that when people tend to stay ****her away in chi sau it's because either conciously or unconciously they're being too passive and it becomes a game of who can slap who - no real structure involved, just jumping in and jumping out like TKD point sparring your chi sau did not look like that though so i can't make that complaint
Originally posted by Vyvial
I'm trying to show stuff that has never really been seen online, now that it's been 3 years since Sigung has passed away we are ready to now be very open with our kung fu and his method of teaching pure Yip man Ving Tsun Kung Fu. We are letting out a lot of the details that have been hidden so long and never been put in a book or ever publicly shown on video (yes we are still sitting on some videos that have never been released including the last video/seminar Sigung taught on Biu Je), we are trying to show the tsui ma fan sau that Moy Yat Ving Tsun is known for, showing that in the advanced levels of chi sau you don't really need to rely on techniques or the hands to open the line but instead just keep good position (immovable elbow method) and use the horse and footwork to control, dominate and open the line. It looks like the students are letting themselves get hit huh? look closer and you will see a step with every strike and every trap using low elbow energy. By using the horse and keeping position the opponent's positions become cho kiu ("choked up", too close to the body) and their positions go way off center. The beginners can do their fancy techniques and play with the hands but that is just a stage where the techniques need to be trained, later on one can achieve the same ends by using very small shifts combined with a solid horse and footwork. We are training and bringing back the old school bloody lip chi sau days (my sang jong) and we are willing to share our details and theories.
old school bloody lip chi sau days? thats every day at my kwoon! the insides of my lips are pretty well scarred up, good thing my face isn't
either way, it still looked to me like some people were letting themselves get hit, with the 2 centerline punches, any number of things could be done in those places apart from letting yourself get hit. low bong sau, tan sau or both at once: kwan sau, come to mind, either with a shift or without a shift. unfortunately i only have an outsiders view and that means nothing since the only real way to tell whats going on and know if anything is possible is to feel the situation.
Originally posted by Vyvial
With that all said, just let the hands do the talking for you, that is the Moy Tung Method.
couldn't agree more. it's our method as well. i hope most lineages have that in common - if not it's the beginning of the end
Travis
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