is there ground fighting and grabling and breaking bones on the ground in KungFu..?

[Christopher M]

Originally posted by Fei jiao
If I'm better at Kung Fu than he is at Jiu-Jitsu, I'm not going on the ground.

It's far, far easier to close with someone than it is to maintain distance, this is the main issue at play here. So you would have to be far, far better than someone to maintain distance when they are trying to close.

If your Kung Fu training focuses on distance fighting, this is a serious concern when facing a Jiu-Jitsu stylist who is focusing on closing.

[MAX]

Christopher M you say:

Because there's no such thing as "having a technique." Your chinese system can have the finest ground fighting in the world in theory, but if you're not actually rolling around on the ground training it, it doesn't do you any good at all.

that's right if i dont train it
but if iam actually training on rolling on the ground fighting like them wouldent be good

SevenStar you say:
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go train with a bjj guy, and all will be revealed...

seriously, think about it...you train kung fu, right? so you are training strikes, kicks, weapons, forms, some grappling, etc...

now you have a bjj guy who spends the same amount of time as you or more, doint nothing except grappling...


1. Do you think your ground fighting would compare to his?

2. He knows the grappler's mind, so he can definitely help you to stay on your feet while fighting a grappler.

like we said, of course you don't NEED to cross train, but it can only help.
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my friend what you said is true but if iknow that kungfu is less than any game why then iam playing it ..then i go for athers to learn from them

your Q1
nop his groud fighting is beter but ihave many options in fighting then he have

your Q2
also true but it dosent mean that chin na -san shue -e-chuan are useles because he is training just on grabling so these art's that are specialized in ground fighting cant do any thing or at least stop him from taken down

i want to ask you Question the real kungfu fighter how many hours dose he spend every day training and learning etc etc

[Ray Pina]

That's why I said, "at least 20%".

My suggestion was for Kung Fu schools to start paying attention to this and spending at least some time on it. This way I don't have to go into a 5 minute explanation on how what I'm studying is different than the "kung fu" they're thinking about.

We train ground fighting at my school. We also get visitors who specialise in ground fighting and like to compare ... we are comfortable fighting. Stand up, ground, doesn't matter.

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by MAX

your Q1
nop his groud fighting is beter but ihave many options in fighting then he have

yeah, but those options aren't helping you much from the ground.

your Q2
also true but it dosent mean that chin na -san shue -e-chuan are useles because he is training just on grabling so these art's that are specialized in ground fighting cant do any thing or at least stop him from taken down

Are they useless? no - anything is better than nothing, in many cases. but what better way to learn to stop a takedown artist than to train with one?

i want to ask you Question the real kungfu fighter how many hours dose he spend every day training and learning etc etc

that question can't really be answered...what constitutes a REAL kung fu fighter?

the hours a day he spends are split, regardless. if a grappler and a real kung fu artis are training 3 hours per day for example, the grappler will do grappling oriented training for 3 straight hours. the cma guy may do forms, stancework, wtrikes, kicks, iron palm... he's more segmented, as he has a broader spectrum he is trying to train. So, if you are asking that question as a comparison of time the cma guy may spend grappling, then it has no relevance...

[Ironmantis]

From what I have seen in Kung fu, white crane has some ground techniques, Black Tiger does and so does Lohan fist. The one that seems to stand out the post (actually two) are Monkey style, and drunken boxing. With Drunken system - Li Ti Qui and Chako Chu are the two forms on the drunken system that have a lot more of the ground techniques than the others.

Having said that ......

..... please folks help me out on this ......

You can take any "standing joint lock" and use it (for the most part) on the ground. For instance - in Eagle claw - an elbo seize om point SJ11 or Heart6 or Heart7 can easily be applied to an opponent that has been taken to the ground with a leg scissor to break and elbow or wrist.

... or ....

How about something mnor drastic - but quicker than an elbow break? What about stricking RN22 or ST9 when you have taken your opponent down with an iron broom sweep, tiger tail or leg scissor or an arm scissor?

In my opinion (and only my opinion - not talking about right or wrong), there are many combinations that can be put together to "create" and opportunity for an arm or leg break in a standing or ground situation.

Holla' back at me with your thoughts .....

Peace.

Iron Mantis