Mantis Clips / Forms Question

[Shaolin Dude]

what's ran ja? it looks like a wah lum form

[sayloc]

shaloin dude

I think I think you are getting wah lum forms confused with Tai Chi Plum Flower forms.

[mantis108]

Hi Robert Young,

Thank you for the info. It is a great pleasure to meet people such as yourself from GM Han's line. I have alway admire his teaching.

Hi Shaolin Dude,

If I am not mistaken, Zhang Bingdao (TJMHPM) taught some seminars at Wah Lum temple. I believe he taught his version of Luanjie (chaotically intercept). The Taiji Tanglang version (Jiang Hualong lines) is known as chaotically connected which is considered as one of the mother forms of the style. These versions are very similar in structure but quite different in flavor. The other mother forms being Bazhou (8 Elbows) and Mishou (secret hands) 90 hands which is the prototypical Zhaiyao (1-6). Related information of this could be found in the style's progenerator Liang Xuexiang's Quanpu. I am under the impression that Wah Lum's PM side of thing is based in ShuaiShou Tanglang. The curriculum could be different somewhat.

Just some thoughts.

Best regards
Mantis108

[yu shan]

Mantis 108

You are correct, Zhang Bingdao taught/teaches the Wah Lum tour groups visiting his area. He has taught Lanjie to the Wah Lum group. From what Ilya Profatilov has told me, Zhang Bingdao`s father was very good! Can you provide some info on this Secret Hands?

Thank you Sir

[Robert Young]

I just got back from Taiwan for two week vacation.

YinYangDagger
>any word on the single dagger form? where'd it come from?
GM Han have taught single dagger and double dagger forms. I don't know where the forms come from. GM Han have learned from several teacher before he went to Central GuShu Institute. He learned a lot of different styles and forms from the Institute too. The history part of the forms is hard to trace.


mantis108
> ... I have alway admire his teaching.
So you noticed the difference of GM Han's teaching. His teaching was unique and very good, actually revolutional in his time. That's why he has training many good students like my teacher and several of his Long Fist brothers.

[YinYangDagger]

Thanks for the reply RY.

I wish someone would delve deeper into the Long Fist history and write a book / article on the subject.