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    A fade away story -- A dilemma

    ( abstracted from the dairy of a MAD man)


    Is it the dilemma of Siu Lim Tau?
    Or is it the dilemma of the decendent of every generation since hundred years ago?


    Siu Lim Tau,
    The details training.....
    Rooted in Awareness.
    Awareness in every small details: physical, mind, breathing, medirians, joins, tendon, structure, momentum, resultant force, potential......
    Beyond all type of conciousness or thought patterns or fomulars.
    Via Awareness,
    Effective, elegant, conciseness Action is possible.

    No longer needs to remember 1000 examples
    No longer needs to remember hundreds of bridge hands
    Action transcents from Awareness
    That is the true paradigm shift.
    The utilization of the True Emptiness Wonderfull existance.
    The Silence The effortless alertness The Awareness.


    But then how do one express Awareness?
    But then how do one train Awareness?
    But then how do one teaches the Awareness within the Action in all conditions.
    For Hundred of years,
    some tries to transmitte it via set
    via different type of Chi Sau
    Via listening.
    Via intention....
    Keep trying...

    But then,
    when Awareness is objectify,
    The Action becomes a repeated habitual motion.
    become rigid steps
    become copying print
    become lifeless.

    Then, it leaves the root even further
    Formulars, lines, shapes, Kiu, philosophies derive from thoughts and speculations.
    That once upon a time breakdown of steps trying to do partial transmitting or illustration or to hand hold the beginners, become the ultimate, become the original........
    Drift Away from that subdue action with silence and that one stroke
    replace with ten thousand of hands and stories which cant even sustain a wrestle's take down.....

    Yee, Shen, Niem,
    intention, attention, thought
    Sheh or Concious,
    Ch'ier or awareness...
    what is what? which is which?

    Does one still do SLT?
    Does one needs some advance SLT?
    Or
    one has to master AWARENESS.
    And then ACtion will go naturely.
    Be it physical, structural, breathing, Qi, applications.....



    A dillemma.
    since hundred of years
    The paradigm shift from Emei's Goldern Summit Temple.
    AWARENESS,
    the Kwan Yins (kanno in japanese, Avalokitasvara in sanskrit) thousand hands and eyes
    or it is called the Snake body.
    Like a Snake aware of every little part of its body.
    or it is called the Spide waiting in its web.
    Like a spide aware of the environment surronded it.


    A dilemma.
    A story about the Spring's life force -- True Emptiness and Wonderfull existance --- fade away.
    In a cold robotic world of macho ego.


    There will be a butterfly effect --- a butterfly flipping its Wings in somewhere produce a tronado in Pacific Ocean. and the little wind from the Wings of the Butterfly is the carrier of the AWARENESS.



    PS
    When you do SLT tonight, forget about everything but that beautiful Butterfly flipping its wings and produce that soft wind.
    Do you aware of that soft wind?
    Do you aware of the present of yourself?
    Do you aware of the what is in your mind?
    Do you aware of your toes while moving your fingers?
    Do you aware of you dont have to copy anyone?
    Do you aware about awareness?
    Is it listen or is it Aware?


    or you just standing there trying to relax but stuck in a hundred years dilemma.................

    Awareness is lighter then the soft wind produce by the little butterfly. But, it exist and alive and can lead one to subdue the action with silence. It is no where but it is everywhere....
    Isnt that a True Emptiness Wonderfull Existance?
    Last edited by Hendrik; 08-23-2004 at 11:45 AM.

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    Related in some way!

    You know the story about Mass Oyama who trained two students in different ways?...One was trained like a military,doing all kinds of hard exercices.He was taught all the tricks in the book,strategies,sparred all day long,etc...He also gained lots of muscle
    The other had to meditate for hours everydays,standing still like a Buddha,breathing in the lower tandem or tantien.He was practicing kata and light exercices.He lost some weight and grew wiry.
    After a while,Oyama had them to spar eachothers.The "thinker" won the match with ease!...

    I read this story in an old book called "Zen Combat" by Jay Gluck (ballantine books) Is it a true story?...

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    Awareness without Action goes no where.
    Action without Awareness is a mess.


    The thinker is illusive. Just another thoughts stream.
    It is the one gets one into the trouble of debating theory and fighting.

    The silent watcher of the thinker is the it.
    The question is who has "see" that silent watcher?

    Activate the SLT with the it.

    Then, one sees the beauty instead of my sifu told me this way, that way, or the formular says this and that, or this time, that space..... this is the ancestors' mouth to ear teaching...

    Living in in Awareness is living in Now. why stagnated with passed?

    Even a fighting discussion is about past. It will never happen exactly the same again. So, why live there?
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    I know that! The term "thinker" is a quote from the book.A very "american" type of book. from the sixties I guess. The "silent watcher" was a stranger back then in america.

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    Originally posted by old jong
    I know that! The term "thinker" is a quote from the book.A very "american" type of book. from the sixties I guess. The "silent watcher" was a stranger back then in america.

    Thus, some can makes lots of money with all those old ancient Chinese riture, attunement, talking Zen.... selling the past which promised the future salvation which never come.

    It just need a butterfly to feel the weak wind, and it said it all --- the wind, the feeler, the thinker, the silent watcher..
    The object (wind) the subjective experience ( the the feeler) the speculator ( the thinker) the Awareness ( the silence watcher) .... and ofcorse this is a generalized intelectualized model. need real action to get there. Observe and one shall "see".

    The focus, the intention, or the Yee. The present, The Attention, is the Shen or Spirit as it translated. The thinker is the Niem. The heart... guess what? The Awareness. Not the thoughts or the thinker. that who knows how to speculate and think is not oneself but one's thoughts.


    Dont think and just observed. everything is there. one doesnt need the cable company for the secret code or personal teaching.

    Then, it expands and grow out to applications... non-reactive response.


    But then all still intelecturized stuffs and theory. so how to do it? observe observe...

    It is not about Kiu or bridge. it is about rooted in Awareness. And that is Wing Chun Kuen all about according to the MAD man.

    He is Mad but he has no dilemma. In the ancient time, they call the above Sum Faat. or heart Method or Heart of the Method. Can a person live without the heart? Can a person live without Awareness? They call the one live without Awareness is dead right?
    Last edited by Phenix; 08-23-2004 at 01:32 PM.

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    ( abstracted from the dairy of a MAD man)
    How appropriate for someone having a conversation online with himself. LOL wondering which one will answer this hendrik, phenix both or will you need to open a new account.
    Tony Jacobs

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    "...Therefore the truly great man dwells on what is real
    and not what is on the surface,
    On the fruit and not the flower.
    Therefore accept the one and reject the other. "

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    Maybe you should create a new name such as Hendrfnix or something?... (try to say that aloud without blowing your nose!)

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    Originally posted by canglong
    How appropriate for someone having a conversation online with himself. LOL wondering which one will answer this hendrik, phenix both or will you need to open a new account.




    Some have the technology.
    Some have the Troll-nology.
    Some have the History.
    Some have the His-story.
    Some is MAD but exist in the world.
    Some has named but never exist in the world.
    Some has tons of teaching derive from thoughts
    some has master the Awareness.



    Is he who aware of the Madness MAD?
    Or the one think and believe he is always the righteous MAD?

    Does it matter what is the identity?
    or Does it matter if the truth is present?
    That will depend on the person.


    There is a feeler, a Thinker, a silence listener/watcher. which is which? hahahaha who are you? Do you know?

    ( abstract from the dairy of a MAD man)
    Last edited by Phenix; 08-23-2004 at 02:31 PM.

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    Trying to be all things at all cost can cause one to forget his own name. "some" but not all which one are you today.
    Tony Jacobs

    ng doh luk mun fa kin kwan

    "...Therefore the truly great man dwells on what is real
    and not what is on the surface,
    On the fruit and not the flower.
    Therefore accept the one and reject the other. "

    World Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun Kung Fu Association
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    Originally posted by canglong
    Trying to be all things at all cost can cause one to forget his own name. "some" but not all which one are you today.


    You love to be a robot with an ID and program by your master?
    Great. Why not.

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    Is it a true story?...
    It's definitely a story ...

    If it were true, the sample size is way to small for the result to be statistically valid.

    I 've got incontrovertible evidence. Remember in "Rambo" when Sly says "the mind is the best weapon" (or something like that)?

    Surely no one can argue with a reference so exalted.
    "Once you reject experience, and begin looking for the mysterious, then you are caught!" - Krishnamurti
    "We are all one" - Genki Sudo
    "We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion" - Tool, Parabol/Parabola
    "Bro, you f***ed up a long time ago" - Kurt Osiander

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    Trying to be all things at all cost can cause one to forget his own name.
    You know, I always DID wonder why it changed from Hung Suen to Hung Fa Yi.

    Left yourself open for THAT one, bub ....
    "Once you reject experience, and begin looking for the mysterious, then you are caught!" - Krishnamurti
    "We are all one" - Genki Sudo
    "We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion" - Tool, Parabol/Parabola
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    Hi Phenix,
    Is there such a thing as "butterfly ging" (don't laugh)?.... I've heard this expression used before.
    Thanx, Shawn

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    Originally posted by Shawn LaShay
    Hi Phenix,
    Is there such a thing as "butterfly ging" (don't laugh)?.... I've heard this expression used before.
    Thanx, Shawn

    Sure.

    Why not?

    If you want to name the "sensing" touch which is as light as a butterfly landed on other's limb analogically?

    But those are names. We are in the big dilemma for past hundred of years about naming and more naming. A wasting of time.

    what is the content and how to do it is more important right? otherwise we are fantasying.

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    Concerning the 'Butterfly effect'

    It is funny how, when using this illustration, people don't aknowledge the millions of other butterflies that also contribute there own 'effect' to the mix. The idea that one butterfly is the only cause of the tornado is foolish.
    Sapere aude, Justin.

    The map is not the Terrain.

    "Wheather you believe you can, or you believe you can't...You're right." - Henry Ford

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