You Will Submit!

[Knifefighter]

It is very rare to submit even moderately experienced people with the omaplata. Because of this, the omaplata is usually followed by a sweep, back into the triangle, or a figure 4 foot lock. Sometimes, if the opponent rolls out, you can catch him with a surprise arm bar or foot lock, depending on whether he rolls under or over.

[Lee Jun Fan]

You cant beat the eye gouge its unstopable. Best submission ever period!

[Knifefighter]

Leg locks were definitely frowned upon in the BJJ community up until five or six years ago. I can remember people booing at tournaments every time someone would attempt a lower body submssion.

[Aaron Little]

ShaolinTiger00
For me personally I typically teach the Armbar, Triangle, and Kimura as the guard Trifecta with the Omoplata coming in fourth as far as percentage of success.

Knifefighter,
I agree completely regarding the pain of ankle locks. A toehold is probably the king of ankle locks and it certainly hurts before there is any damage. It is a great counter to your opponents rolling out of an Omoplata. As far as heel hooks go, if my opponent has it set I will usually just go ahead and tap. I like my knees.

[yenhoi]

We just call pillow locks pillow locks.

One shooto book I have calls them pillow lock 1 and pillow lock 2.

Both are from the scarf position. The opponent can be prone on his back or belly.

I think a couple times Ive heard them called bow and arrow by the likes of Larry Hartsell and Eric Paulson. I might be wrong.

[Lee Jun Fan]

Pillow lock sounds extremely dangerous. Please some one show it to me.

[Aaron Little]

It is not dangerous at all. It is a very common move. I hit it most often when my opponent pushes on me when I am holding mount. After setting it up I set off to scarf for the finish.

[Knifefighter]

Originally posted by Lee Jun Fan
You cant beat the eye gouge its unstopable. Best submission ever period!

Eye gouges are great. They are effective with a jab to set up power punches and they are great when you are mounted or have someone in your guard; and if your opponent tries to eye jab you back- POW!- instant arm bar. The only problem with them is that they screw up people's eyesight.

[ShaolinTiger00]

Aaron

When I think of the guard in a non striking sense, I usually think of 2 sets of 3 combinations.

triangle, armbar omoplata & kimura, guillotine, hip bump

ironically I prefer sweeps to any submission from the guard, but if the opporitunity is there.. take it..

kf is certainly correct about the old school bjjers frowing upon leglocks, but the times they are a changin. esp with the rise of submission grappling & the blending of judo, sambo, wrestling into mma grappling training.

[ShaolinTiger00]

The only problem with them is that they screw up people's eyesight.

funny thing. last night i took an accidental thumb into my eye. he must have put at least the first whole digit into my eye socket.

It didn't stop me. I completed the throw and got to side control and then blinked me eye a few times and kept going.

after the bell rang, I went to the mirror, flushed it out with water and went back to practice. today my eye is red and puffy but no problems..


just something to think about..

[Water Dragon]

And when he says eye, he means his brown eye

[ShaolinTiger00]

no no.. that is the "third hook" technique.

[Water Dragon]

lol, I think

[Lee Jun Fan]

No I meant eye. But after your coment we see whats on your mind huh?

[Meat Shake]

"The pain of ankle locks (straight foot locks, achilles locks & figure fours"

Im not talking about achilles. Grab your ankle, and bend it to the side. It wont hurt until it breaks. Im not talking about putting pressure on the tendon, Im talking about twisting the foot to break the ankle.

On eye gouges... Ive had the same thing happen ST. It blackens your view in that eye for a second, and is kinda a strange hurting sensation, but not anything to stop a fight.
Not unless you pulled the eye out of the socket....

Ahh..... I hadnt really thought to use the omoplata off of a triangle or armbar. Thanks. We just started heavily rolling again after a much too long break.

Can anyone point me to a picture of a kimura?