Originally posted by shirkers1
Boxing has NO groundfighting. Mantis DOES have ground fighting.
it does HAVE it, but from what's being posted it's not actually TRAINED anywhere near as much. that's his only point. when in a ral life altercation, if you end up on the ground, you may be no better off than a boxer, as you may not be able to use what you do know, as you don't train it much.
Bottom line yes we are a strike driven style. We like to put people on the ground painfully. We don't really want to go there when we don't have to why wrestle if I have a hold of you then you have a hold of me.
I don't either, necessarily. I'd rather throw you on your head. But the point is you may not be able to avoid it.
I'll throw out the first olive branch since you guys refuse to.
I've always had one out - I'm very open to other styles. If I wasn't I would've left when I stopped training TMA.
Yes on the ground a typical MMAist will have the upper hand on a typical northern mantis practitioner who has no background in ground fighting. But I will have to say that the typical mantis practitioner will have the upper hand on a MMAist standing.
not necessarily - that would depend on the MMAist. Take me, for example. All of my experience is standup. I've only been grappling for a few years. When you get to pro level, guys like cro cop, lidell and silva are all primarily strikers.
So where does that leave us? With the same **** argument. Leaving it up to the individuals involved, situations, and how the fight would play out.
Nah, I don't believe it's up to the individual. I believe it's up to their training methods.
Since all fights usually start from the standing position and from my own experience I would give the edge to the northern mantis student. You having the idea that all fights go to the ground feel you have the advantage.
bad assumption. I don't think all fights go to the ground. My only point there is that you may not be able to avoid going there.
But the individuals involved will determine the winner of the fight. Those two individuals most certainly don't represent the rest of their given styles. Because there is always someone out there better.
In a limited sense, they do. thai boxing gyms on avg train pretty much the same way, from what I can tell. Same with many other sport styles. The same may or may not hold true for TMA, but from what I'm seeing on kfm and other forums, it does.
As for the getting together to work out? Seven, where are you located?
TN.
If you are implying that my offer is empty, then I am sorry you feel that way. I have even offered to put knifefighter up in my house or anyone else for that matter so they don't have to pay for housing. I am honestly open to having anyone come out and train with me. I feel I have something to offer and if that person is willing to come out should have something to offer in return. It's a win win situation. So why try to make it sound like I'm just saying it and don't mean it?
I'm not saying it's empty. I'm saying most people aren't gonna travel any extreme distance for that. I've met several people on this board that are in chicago (and one from cali, but he was in chi at the time), but I am in the area several times a year, so that was no problem. Other than that, I wouldn't just travel to see most people on this forum. I fully believe that you have good intentions and would love to work out with anyone, but how many people would likely take the offer?
Don't be.
