Bush Wins!!!!!

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by red5angel
That's why medicine, government, and public works need to be socialized in this country.

If by "socialized" you mean "cleansed of extreme right-wing evangelical nut-jobs," then I concur.

[red5angel]

nationalizing those aspects of america would get rid of extremists on both sides as well as those who are just paranoid.

[Buddy]

"That's why medicine, government, and public works need to be socialized in this country."

Fortunately this stupid idea, unworkable and undesirable, is losing favor in the world. Socialism bankrupts countries economies.

[Icewater]

Look at Canada's healthcare as a good example of socialized healthcare. Ask them how they like it....

So if mensruation is baby killing, would mastrubation be mass murder?

[count]

Jesus and the FDA

[SifuAbel]

Only for the man. BTW, a majority of the genes come from the father.

[red5angel]

Fortunately this stupid idea, unworkable and undesirable, is losing favor in the world. Socialism bankrupts countries economies.

because your an ignorant cuss, I'm gonna go ahead and straighten you out on where you went wrong -

A - I didn't say socialism, I said socialize so pay attention. You socialize or nationalize public works and keep the economy capitlist and you have the grounds for a strong country. Look around you....

B - while canada may not be happy with their healthcare, they are doing fine, much better then we are and we are headed down a downward spiral as far as healthcare goes that canada couldn't even imagine.


So, before you go using big words like "stupid" and "unworkable" I recommend you take the stars and stripes off the record player, put the hounds and the shotgun away for a while, and try to forget that the commies really aren't coming to take your fredom away, and pay attention.

[SifuAbel]

Bush will have as many babys as possible be born so that when he pushes the big red button he can say he did it for the children.

[SifuAbel]

Sorry , red, HMOs are as much socialization as I can take.

[SifuAbel]

"B - while canada may not be happy with their healthcare, they are doing fine, much better then we are and we are headed down a downward spiral as far as healthcare goes that canada couldn't even imagine."

This is wishfull thinking. When you remove the competitiveness from healthcare you will get a steady decline in quality. It happened in britain that way too.

[red5angel]

sifuabel - brittain, is not the US.

Jesus and the FDA

so let me get this straight, the new tack for the anti-bush-leaguers (pun intended) is birth control? We've gone from suppressing third world coutnries, hating the muslims and starting WWIII to the possibility birth control might go away? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

Ask yourself this - do you think Bush's daughters are on birth control? Do you think he's fine with that? If you're a father, those questions might mean more to you.

[Mika]

Originally posted by Buddy
"That's why medicine, government, and public works need to be socialized in this country."

Fortunately this stupid idea, unworkable and undesirable, is losing favor in the world. Socialism bankrupts countries economies.

Hmm...could I see something on this?

[FatherDog]

Originally posted by Buddy
"That's why medicine, government, and public works need to be socialized in this country."

Fortunately this stupid idea, unworkable and undesirable, is losing favor in the world. Socialism bankrupts countries economies.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/8Comparison.htm

Yeah, socialized medicine and welfare sure has bankrupted Europe!

Oh, wait, that's right, it hasn't.

Well, it's certainly led to a decline in Canada's health care!

Oh, wait, it hasn't done that either.

Well, it sure is losing favor in the world?

Oh, wait, the only developed countries that don't have government health care are us and South Africa.

[FuXnDajenariht]

I really dont wanna get into the argument but i been thinking. I agree about free choice but im up on the fence about abortion since it really is more about opinions and in the realm of things science might not be able to have an answer on.

I been thinking though, about the experience people i know have had. If the woman decides to keep her baby and her partner wants no part in it where should the line be drawn in regards to him taking care of it? Paying support etc etc. Conversely if a man want to keep his child and the woman does not, should he not be allowed that right, even if she wants no part after giving birth? I know its her body...having to deal with the pregnancy, but is it fair to leave the decision of convenience to one person when obviously wont be the case after the fact?

[Mika]

I never ever thought I would actually disagree with SifuAbel, but for once I have to say you are not on the right here.

In Finland, we have socialized medicine. Are people happy with it? Heck, no! You know why? People are never happy. With anything. Anywhere. Or so they say at least...

But they are fairly healthy here.

Putting a free enterprise price tag on healthcare is way, way beyond my intellectual abilities. To make healthcare too expensive for those who need it is just plain wrong. It's immoral and unethical. You can't do that.

Now, everyone gets healthcare, right? Yeah, basic care, but if something more serious happens, it isn't a done deal always. But it should be. Always.

Now, when you start mixing private healthcare with government subsidies, that's when a lot of smart business peeps see their chance to strike it rich.

Of course, it's also a value call. I love everyone - all of you included - and I want everyone to be happy. Impossible as that may be, at least I want that and am willing to do something about it, like paying a little higher taxes than they do, say, in Monaco. And at the very least, I want you all to be as healthy as you can be.

All this has a little something to do with the difference between the American Dream and the European Dream. I won't get into that, because that's a matter of personal beliefs, as well. But it is a part of a larger picture.

(As controversial and everything this guy is, this particular audio clip does make some sense. I don't agree with everything he says, but he does have a point of sorts insofar as the differences between x and y. The possible outcomes and future scenarios I wouldn't dare predict, I let people smarter than me try to do that. http://www.theconnection.org/shows/2...818_b_main.asp).

Cheers

Mika