Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[Flying-Monkey]

Shaolin Do......40 years in america.....it's pretty obvious what we are....a lineage of Shaolin that migrated to Indonesia then to the US like it or not.....40 years and a lot of good people.

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Bullsh!t.

[Flying-Monkey]

Did you know Monkeys have the smallest p***s of all the primates ? KC

What's your point? Since I don't plan on having sex with you, why would you care about the size of my p***s?

[Flying-Monkey]

Yeah, I'm being a d**k, because I feel that Shaolindo have no true Shaolin lineage.

[The Xia]

Well cant be answered in one post so in a nut shell it is a Shaolin Martial Art that encompasses many CMA's Hsing Ie Tai Chi Pa kua animal styles and weapons. You have read the history and you can believe what you want so what school do you come from ? Is that direct enough for you mister direct or what info do you want exactly ? please be precise so we can answer. !!! KC

I am not a Shaolin Doka (no one has commented on my new word. I think its clever lol). However, it is obvious that Shaolin Do is a talking piece in the Kung Fu world. It seems to be alot like the San Soo situation.
So you are saying that Shaolin Do is a combination of Tai Chi, Bagua, Hsing Yi, and some other stuff?

[Flying-Monkey]

Who was your Hung gar teacher? Who was your tiger teacher? Please explain more.

[Flying-Monkey]

How old are you now (excuse the age question)? Well, what were these teachers names? I did Tae kwan do when i was 10 and I remember my teacher's name.

[BentMonk]

I've posted this once on this thread already, but obviously some people missed it.

There are hundreds of pages of debate and discussion about all things Shaolin Do floating all over the net, and elsewhere. That fact alone makes SD "real" in many ways. All of this attention to the pros, cons, substance, and origins of SD have shown us that;

1. There is CMA present in SD. I'm talking about the material itself, not an opinion of performance.

2. There are SD schools that strongly emphasize technique application, proper form and body mechanics, and physical conditioning.

3. SD schools are like people. They all have strengths and weaknesses. They each see their point of view as correct, and sometimes forget that everyone else does the same thing.

4. SD is subject to all of the same drama as any other endeavor involving a large group of imperfect human beings.

5. SD is no different than any other MA. There are instructors, students, and fighters that are excellent, good, fair, and poor. This is a matter of effort, not what is real.

6. SD is not unique in having history that can be neither proven or dis proven.

7. SD is not unique in using larger than life marketing to attract students.

There are no more "pure" lineages. There is no "true Shaolin". The Shaolin being taught and practiced in China right now is a business that bears little resemblance to the original, and is marketed heavily. There are many in the world far more knowledgeable about CMA than those of us posting here. If SD were truly a complete fraud, someone besides us would have figured it out and said something long before now. BTW Shaolin Doka was funny.

[The Xia]

XIA yes you are being a D--K and as I said you can think what you want you saeem to be a Troll to me. KC

Petty insults....yeah, that will convince everyone here.
Lets keep this to civilized discussion. Name-calling isn't going to get anywhere.

No , Shaolin Do as the history explains encompasses the teaching from all 6 temples in China. There is alot that is covered and we trace our Lineage Primarily to the fukien Temple. I have learned the Hua , Hung Gar, Tiger, Lohan, as well as the internal arts mentioned and Iron Bone and Tang Lang and on and on. That is what it is .

You believe the whole "Shaolin Grandmaster" story kwaichang?

[The Xia]

BTW Shaolin Doka was funny.

Thanks.

[BlueTravesty]

I've posted this once on this thread already, but obviously some people missed it.

There are hundreds of pages of debate and discussion about all things Shaolin Do floating all over the net, and elsewhere. That fact alone makes SD "real" in many ways. All of this attention to the pros, cons, substance, and origins of SD have shown us that;

1. There is CMA present in SD. I'm talking about the material itself, not an opinion of performance.

2. There are SD schools that strongly emphasize technique application, proper form and body mechanics, and physical conditioning.

3. SD schools are like people. They all have strengths and weaknesses. They each see their point of view as correct, and sometimes forget that everyone else does the same thing.

4. SD is subject to all of the same drama as any other endeavor involving a large group of imperfect human beings.

5. SD is no different than any other MA. There are instructors, students, and fighters that are excellent, good, fair, and poor. This is a matter of effort, not what is real.

6. SD is not unique in having history that can be neither proven or dis proven.

7. SD is not unique in using larger than life marketing to attract students.

Very good points.

There are no more "pure" lineages. There is no "true Shaolin". The Shaolin being taught and practiced in China right now is a business that bears little resemblance to the original, and is marketed heavily.

If there is no "true Shaolin," then by what yardstick are we comparing current Shaolin? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that pre-20th century Shaolin Kung Fu was MUCH different than the Shaolin practiced at the temple now, but I think the main differences were probably more along the lines of applications, martial intent, fewer forms, and fewer weapons than what we see today. Is it your contention that the Hong and Lohan forms are commercialist Shaolin inventions?

At least some of the money coming to the Monk teachers goes toward Buddhist purposes (In particular, I'm thinking of Shi Guolin.) Granted I'm not a Buddhist, but I can respect money going to a cause other than an MA organization.

There are many in the world far more knowledgeable about CMA than those of us posting here. If SD were truly a complete fraud, someone besides us would have figured it out and said something long before now. BTW Shaolin Doka was funny.

As you said, "There are hundreds of pages of debate and discussion about all things Shaolin Do floating all over the net, and elsewhere." Therefore, someone besides us HAS "figured it out." I don't think SD is a "complete fraud" however. I just think the style as a whole should have a slice of humble pie rather than saying "yeah, all you other styles are so fake, just because your arts are Chinese doesn't mean they're REAL."

On a side note, due to a post from another forum user in my area, I found out there's a SD school not too far from where I am currently studying Kung Fu. I wish them the best of luck, as they are currently renting space from a dance school. At our Kung Fu class though, no one has been "up in arms" about it though. You know, kinda like how in REAL life (most) MMA types aren't as snooty about TMA as (most of) the MMA types who post on Martial Arts forums.

[Green Cloud]

Xia this is one out of many comercial schools that are out there case in point united studios, Vilaris, Shaolin kempo, and so forth. They are all loosely based on CMA.

These styles are only as good as the guy that made them up. One thing these schools are good at is creating an image and marketing themselves.

To admit that they are full of it would not be good for their self image and when it come to the members well they defend their style to the very bitter end.

After all it's hard for martial artist to admit that his Black Belt is lets say just a black belt.

[The Xia]

MY apologies XIA I was referring to the Flying Monkey when I said he was a D==K and a troll.

No problem.

You have legitimate questions. Yes I do believe the Grand Master story I have no reason not to. Who in their right mind would make up a story about a harry guy to sell a martial art and continue to teach for 47 years in rural Kentucky. There are alot easier ways to make money. I know I have seen the physicality of the forms and attempted them for a while. KC

The grandmaster story flies in the face of Chinese martial arts history, thats why it is not to be believed. The Kung Fu craze of the 70s made Shaolin "in" for people interested in martial arts. Claiming to have the ultimate in Shaolin martial arts will sell wheras saying you have a product of Indonesian blending would be more diffucult.

[godzillakungfu]

I've read the outragious claims. I'm not going to buy that. However, I asked here what Shaolin Do is. So, what is Shaolin Do?

It is a Martial Art. Next question.

[Green Cloud]

No , Shaolin Do as the history explains encompasses the teaching from all 6 temples in China. There is alot that is covered and we trace our Lineage Primarily to the fukien Temple. I have learned the Hua , Hung Gar, Tiger, Lohan, as well as the internal arts mentioned and Iron Bone and Tang Lang and on and on. That is what it is . XIA yes you are being a D--K and as I said you can think what you want you saeem to be a Troll to me. KC

Wich 6 temles are you refering to?? Whats a Hua ??? Iron Bone ??? And you leraned all those styles including Hung Ga Jeeezz louise you must be like great or something. Hell I know reputable guys that have been teaching and studying just Hung Gar for over 30 years and they are still trying to master that style.

As far as Flying Monkey who you mistakenly refered as Xia why would you call him a D--k, I have spoken to him on several matters and he seems to be a good guy.

He is definately not a troll he studied kung fu under Chan Sao Jung ( the monkey king) as far as I'm concerned he know what's what.

Tung to long what style of preying mantis you know like seven star or is it southern preying mantis???


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[lunghushan]

I would tend to discount Shaolin-Do's stories except as ludicrous as it sounds, that hairy guy features prominently in other Chinese lineages as well I came across some time ago.