thast true, but you do have a prickly personality.
thast true, but you do have a prickly personality.
I just got attacked too many times on forums. I didn't start out like this.
In fact, when I first started posting on MA forums back in like 2002 or something, I tried to be reasonable with people.
But the people I ran into were not reasonable. They would do anything to further their agenda, if it was sparring, or getting students, or whatever it was -- they resorted to personal attacks and irrational arguments.
Therefore, I don't try to be reasonable anymore. F*CK YOU and MORON works a lot better. People seem to understand that.
Last edited by lunghushan; 02-09-2007 at 06:22 PM.
It is just me, or have you guys gotten even more infantile than usual?
ATTENTION THIS MIGHT BE NOT APPROPRIATE FOR AUDIENCE WITH WEAK HEARTS!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHZwtE9op_g
No kicks for me. O_O
OWCH!
take your calcium and focus on that conditioning training kids....
yes i admit there are guys who knock out people fast. but how many are there? not too many. you have to remember its a business and in that business people want to see them fight.
that was a nice clip. i wish mroe cma guys who are properly trained would go out and fight in the ring. but they don't. like soemone said in another thread, a lot of people take cma for reasons other then fighting.
um if you look at the rules you can't do it. im not saying it will stop someone you moron. why dont you have someone elbow you in the back repeatedly trying to hurt you and tell me how it feels.
Last edited by Shaolinlueb; 02-09-2007 at 10:42 PM.
KF when you respond to this vicious attack from lunghushan, can you please respond with 'am not, you are' it would make my day.Why not be infantile? You're infantile.
Up and down, forward and backward, left and right, its all the same. All of this is done with the mind, not externaly.
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Shaped dragon and looking monkey, sitting tiger and turning eagle.
"I wonder how they would do against jon's no-tension fu. I bet they'd do REALLY WELL."
- Huang Kai Vun
Maybe it has to do with the fact that they are fighting other equally skilled opponents whom they cannot easily KO at will.
I've been in that position several times with elbows (and the butt-end of sticks) coming down that way. Of course it is not comfortable, but then fighting is not really comfortable in the first place. There are lots of efficient ways to shut down leg attack takedowns, but that is not one of them.
The problem is two-fold. The first is that the back of the head, neck and upper back are relatively hard to damage with blows (much harder than the front of the body, which is why a person's natural response to being struck on the ground is to go into a turtle or fetal position, protecting the front of the body while giving up the back of the head, neck and back). One can take a tremendous amount of force to the backside of the body.
The second is, it is hard to get enough power to generate much damage from there. To get power into elbow shots requires one to raise up, which is the opposite of what should happen when defending a leg attack. By raising up in an attempt to get power, one gives up the legs to the attacker, who can then finish the takedown.
The old "elbows to the back of the head, neck and back" is something that people without grappling experience have "developed" to deal with takedowns, but most of the time, that approach just gives the attacker better leverage to finish the takedown.
Last edited by Knifefighter; 02-10-2007 at 12:06 PM.
in what circumstance would dropping elbows to the back of the head work after successfully nullifying the shoot.
Could it be used after a sprawl or a head snapdown from clinch?
Is it just a low % move in your books or is there place for it where the move is nicely set?
not arguin, but asking
actually i dont think spiking elbows to the back of the head would be wise. the skull is hard so arent your elbows. you are just as likely to hurt your elbow as you are their skull. to the back it depends, kidneys if you can reach them. i have seen a lot of "kung fu experts" do defense against takedowns and forget the basic stance work we practice; mabu, gong bu, etc. which helps sometimes to create a base.
Last edited by Shaolinlueb; 02-10-2007 at 07:02 PM.