Kung Fu in MMA

[Water Dragon]

You think that Muay Thai has cornered the market on knees, elbows and inclose fighting? Mantis and Bak Mei have many of those moves...

I never said they didn't. I only said Muay Thai did.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

holy sh1t my d1ck is so big. its frucking hyooooooge!!!

[boshea]

I don't buy that. I think it is just a matter of time before you start seeing good CMA in MMA. It's going to happen slowly, but it will happen.

If you think about it, CMA needs to do 2 things, invert the amount of time spent on forms with two man work and Sparr more, and work thier anti takedown skills more.

That is all that is needed, everythig else is there. We got striking, Kicking joint manipulations, throwing, ground and pound, it's all there. It just needs to be unzipped and worked.

We even have our own venues to hone skills in prior to entering the MMA venues.

I agree with this. Most Kung Fu schools that I have seen focus on forms and do little or no sparring. MMA fighters test the skills they learn for effectiveness every day, so when it comes time to use them, they know how.

I trained at a traditional Chinese martial arts school for about four years, and at some point took a sparring class (offered outside of the regular curriculum by one of the advanced students, who was also a trainer there). I was surprised to discover how unprepared I was. I'm sure that the Kung Fu that I learned was based on useful skills, but the people who developed those techniques were using them in real fights. For those four years I was basically just learning to repeat movements. Some application of the forms was explained here and there, but not tested. This was great exercise, but not too useful in a fight. It would be interesting to see a traditional Chinese martial arts school which focused on using the skills from the class in real fight matches. Meaning teaching sparring using the traditinal techniques, and holding competitions among the students within the school (i.e. not just teaching Sanda on the side of a traditional Chinese style.) I don't know how practical this would be. I'm not saying that it would be an "MMA killer" either. Just saying it would be interesting.

[Water Dragon]

I don't buy that. I think it is just a matter of time before you start seeing good CMA in MMA. It's going to happen slowly, but it will happen.

If you think about it, CMA needs to do 2 things, invert the amount of time spent on forms with two man work and Sparr more, and work thier anti takedown skills more.

That is all that is needed, everythig else is there. We got striking, Kicking joint manipulations, throwing, ground and pound, it's all there. It just needs to be unzipped and worked.

That's not really where the problem lies. The problem, and the reason I left CMA, was the lack of competition in the CMA world. Let's face it, the hardest thing in CMA is finding training partners who want to use this stuff to fight. Go to the MMA/Sports world however, and you find a plethora of people who want to mix it up.

If you really want to learn to fight, you gotta have two things. The first is an effective training methods. The second is access to a steady supply of bodies to work this stuff with on the fighting floor. You gotta have peole who are better than you to teach you things, worse than you so you can get your techniques down, and the same level as you so you can hone those techniques.

That's real hard to find in the CMA world these days.

[PangQuan]

holy sh1t my d1ck is so big. its frucking hyooooooge!!!

ROFL!!!


put away the viagra dude!

[Royal Dragon]

That's not really where the problem lies. The problem, and the reason I left CMA, was the lack of competition in the CMA world. Let's face it, the hardest thing in CMA is finding training partners who want to use this stuff to fight. Go to the MMA/Sports world however, and you find a plethora of people who want to mix it up.

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Yeah, I have to agree with you here. I have found plenty of guys over the years who are willing to teach all the forms, supplentary exercises, and drill apps, but few who would mix it up and sparr on any regular basis...ESPECIALLY when I start holding my own, or periodically besting them.

If you really want to learn to fight, you gotta have two things. The first is an effective training methods. The second is access to a steady supply of bodies to work this stuff with on the fighting floor. You gotta have peole who are better than you to teach you things, worse than you so you can get your techniques down, and the same level as you so you can hone those techniques.

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Yeah, I agree here too.

That's real hard to find in the CMA world these days

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You have to build a club like that yourself. The guys who are Black Sash's in thier systems today need to start rexamining *How* they were taught, and start making the changces within thier own groups. Even if CMA tournamnets are not common, they cna go to MMA events to test skills and theories. It's going to take time to fine tune and get it going again, but when you look at it, everything you need *IS* there.

[lkfmdc]

LEARN HOW TO USE THE REAL QUOTE FUNCTION ALREADY

[unkokusai]

Agreed!!!!!!

[shaolinassassin]

hello all,

just wanted to come on here and reply to some of the posts on here...

I am from the Tsai system of Chuan Fa. My fighting is a mix of all of the kung fu i learned from Master Tsai and his Black Sashes. I am lucky in that Master Tsai focused more on fighting and that is how I approach my Chuan Fa.

As far as the Torres fight goes, I feel like i should have won. The fight, for the most part, went exactly according to plan. I knew exactly what he was going to do. My two errors were that I didn't go at 100%, I didn't go for the kill when i had the chance. I give him his due because he execucted when he needed to.

PangQuan, I do not crosstrain per se. my ground is just an extentioin of what i do standing up. i went to a bjj place for a couple of months (because the guy wanted to manage me in MMA) but all i got out of it was a busted arm. On occasion, i workout with my current managers and pick up tidbits here and there.
I like the ground for MMA, but when all is said and done, it is still a sport. It is different from self defense in that you cant use all of your weapons or resources like strikes to the back of the head/spine, pressure points etc.

all in all, i like the MMA, its about as close to testing yourself and you can get these days. i still do American Kickboxing, Tae Kwon Do and even some point sparring. I believe my kung fu can translate to any combat fighting scenario.
My MMA record is where it is because i havent yet figured out a specific style to fight in MMA and that my training partners are my students and i only get to go about 50% on them. Once i get back to fighting how i always fight and not worrying about winning/losing, grappling or any of the other nonsense that gets in the way of our art, i should do much better.

Tsaichimantis and Royal Dragon - do i know you from Iron Fist? are you still involved in the chicago martial arts scene? Let me know

[Royal Dragon]

I don't know if you know me or not. I was at Iron Fist West in the late 90's when Sifu Kathyrn ran it. I was at Tsai's school early to mid 90's not too long before they closed the Irving Pk school.

I am doinng a totally different style now, and to be honest i really don't remember much from Tsai's system. I do remember Sif Percy running and jumping around throwing fire in his Mortal Combat outfit though!!

and Gia Spencer chastising me for throwing in out of the box random techniques when we were supposed to be drilling something specific (My partner kept initiateing it). As well as a number of other silly and fun things, but I can't remember the curriculem...except for those killer abb exercises that is...I'm still hurting from those!

[unkokusai]

You have yet to address the issue of your inability to use the quote function.

[Royal Dragon]

QUOTE:
You have yet to address the issue of your inability to use the quote function.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Any system can be applied effectively to the MMA arena, if it is trained that way.
We have seen TKD, WC, Kyokushin, etc, etc.

At what point does a system stop being that system within the MMA environment?

I would say when what makes said system unique is no longer present.

You can't say that TKD won you a MMA match when you didn't throw one kick that made a difference and won VIA an Arm bar.

[SevenStar]

You think that Muay Thai has cornered the market on knees, elbows and inclose fighting? Mantis and Bak Mei have many of those moves...

maybe, but do they use them in fighting or in training like a muay thai guy does? If not, that would be like comparing a judoka to someone who "has throwing in their forms"...

[SevenStar]

I don't buy that. I think it is just a matter of time before you start seeing good CMA in MMA. It's going to happen slowly, but it will happen.

If you think about it, CMA needs to do 2 things, invert the amount of time spent on forms with two man work and Sparr more, and work thier anti takedown skills more.

That is all that is needed, everythig else is there. We got striking, Kicking joint manipulations, throwing, ground and pound, it's all there. It just needs to be unzipped and worked.

We even have our own venues to hone skills in prior to entering the MMA venues.

sure, it sounds simple, but that is irrelevant, really. How many will actually do it? Not many, because the overall desire to compete really isn't there. That is why I say it will never happen.