I'd be interested in hearing about the Black Tiger Fist and Ye long Fist sets. We have a Ye Fu Kuen (night tiger fist) set.
jeff
I'd be interested in hearing about the Black Tiger Fist and Ye long Fist sets. We have a Ye Fu Kuen (night tiger fist) set.
jeff
Last edited by jmd161; 06-14-2007 at 02:10 AM.
少林黑虎門
Sil Lum Hak Fu Mun
RIP Kuen "Fred" Woo (sifu)
Kan Tak Hoi's wive learned black tiger and somewhere along the lines it was added to the list.
I believe the cat fist is also from Hak Fu Kuen.
得 心 應 手
蔡 李 佛 中 國 武 術 學 院 - ( 南 非 )
Dont know. I will find out for you.
得 心 應 手
蔡 李 佛 中 國 武 術 學 院 - ( 南 非 )
chow keungs profile on wavingclouds. good list of forms he teaches. http://www.wavingclouds.com/artists_hk.htm
*click on chow keung on the right
man.. he should so make videos on all his monkey forms .. and learn the last 2 i dun c myself travellin 2 hong kong to learn x[
Tai Shing Pek Kwar is a beautiful art. I learned Duan Lian Quan as a child. It is a very fun style.
You had me for a second LOL
If anyone can find the name it would help me trace back through the lineage. I knew there was Black Tiger within TSPK, just that i've never seen it. I haven't seen any of the monkey forms, except what was posted on Youtube. I'm sure if it was added to TSPK, it's prolly changed a bit from what we have.
jeff
少林黑虎門
Sil Lum Hak Fu Mun
RIP Kuen "Fred" Woo (sifu)
Nope, no name. The name wasnt that important I hear.
Anyways, ChinoXL, Sifu Chow will be visiting the USA in October this year. So far he knows he will be in both Florida and Seattle, but he is concidering visiting NY if he can get together more people who are interested in a workshop / seminar. If you want to get more info or set up a class, contact Sifu Joe Keit (sow choy on this forum) at www.leekoonhungkungfu.com. Sifu Chow will also be visiting Canada during that same time. He left South Africa this week and returned to HK. He will be in Thailand next month, Europe the month after that and then USA. Sifu Chow will be back in SA in January.
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蔡 李 佛 中 國 武 術 學 院 - ( 南 非 )
I still don't see any reference to the Big-Six Fist. I'm wondering if perhaps I have a different translation of a classic TSPK form.
My IMartial profile:
http://www.imartial.com/player-profile.aspx?uid=1365
or that one is for inner chamber students only
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蔡 李 佛 中 國 武 術 學 院 - ( 南 非 )
Disclaimer- I am not a student of PW, nor do I claim to be an authority on the subject. These are my observations and opinions.
That being said, this subject is interesting to me, b/c I think it illustrates just how much overlap and influence you can see across many martial systems.
On the subject of Pekwar- IIRC PW (cantonese) = Piqua (mandarin) IIRC. Pekwar broadsword = piqua broadsword.
This form appears to be an archetypal BS form that has been incorporated in MULTIPLE kung fu systems, both northern and southern. I have seen ppl from the south- hung gar (including students of YC Wong), choy li fut, etc. as well as the north- shaolin/long fist, etc. perform this form. While the form usually retains the 'flavor' of the individual practitioner and style, it essentially retains the morphology of the original- i.e. it appears the same or very similar regardless, retaining similar patterns, positions/stances, etc..
To me, KF is like linquistics in many ways. While language can be very unique to a person, people or culture, it also retains a lot of similarities to what has influenced it. This is the way that linquists can track the migration of language and group language into families across the world. Thus, while lineages in KF can be unclear and muddied, the morphological elements found in what they do can give you some good insight into ancestry.
So, for example, coming back to something like this BS form- when I watch someone doing a form, I start watching for sequences & patterns, positions, stances, etc. and if you don't recognize what it is right away, you can get an idea of where it has drawn it's influences. Likewise, different systems and teachers have a flavor that is recognizable too.
This is something that I've noted across the board. People have borrowed/incorporated & modified a few forms for a long time. Kinda like tan tui or other iconic forms that get incorporated into a variety of systems, then are modified by the system/instructors individual flavor. So, when looking at a system that has 100's for forms, usually, there are very few that are solely unique to the system- that is to say completely original- and at some point material was borrowed, modified and incorporated.
It is my opinion that this is not bad at all- This is one reason that I really like the study of KF- such a broad, deep history and many influence when you look at it from these kind of perspective. It also illustrates the degree of crossover and influence all these arts have had on each other.
Just some thoughts. I hope this added to the discussion.
kan tak hoi stayed over at lam jo's place for a while and he gave him the PK broadsword.
We do the very same BS in Lee Koon Hung CLF, albeit with a LKH CLF flare. I saw the Bucksing guys also do this form too. I think it must have come from the Hung influence in HK.
得 心 應 手
蔡 李 佛 中 國 武 術 學 院 - ( 南 非 )