Top MMA stand up strikers who avoid the ground

[Becca]

What abut guys who are primarily strikers, who are good at defending the takedown and staying on thier feet? Are they all good on the ground?

Yep, every last one of them.

You guys are missing the point here.

I am looking for guys who are primarily STANDUP fighters, who are good at keeping the fight standing up by avoiding the take down.

I don't really want to discuss BJJ specialists. Yes, I know *Everyone* does BJJ on some level, but I am more interested in guys who specifically avoid the ground, and win standing up.

Number one that comes to mind is Chuck. He hate's to take it to the ground. He's also a bad @ss wrestler.

[sanjuro_ronin]

small sample:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJrjRg2bIRw

[Becca]

Wanna stop the takedown?
Get very ,very good AT DOING the takedown.

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What? How is that going to work?

Stopping a takedown, and a doing take down are two totally different skills. You can't practice a totally unrelated skill, and get good at something else.

No they aren't. Just as you get better blocking strike when you get beter at throwing them, you get better at take-down defence as you get better at executing a take-down.

[Becca]

3. where did forms come into the conversation, i'm still confused

RD is a forms guy; they are never far from his mind.

[Becca]

anderson sylva vs jeremy horn

kinda more of a music video tribute to the fight, but it shows exactly how Silva was able to make the big bold strikes without haveing to worry too much about Horn's shoots.

[DPL]

Fact:

Wanna stop the takedown?
Get very ,very good AT DOING the takedown.

Drill, drill and drill and when you have finished, drill some more.

RD's right - this is not good advice. You don't practice blocking punches by punching, you practice blocking punches by... blocking punches. The rest of what you write in that post makes sense, because you're talking about practicing defense to get better at defense. But the first couple of sentences are ludicrous.

Practicing offense to get better at defense is, at best, going to provide some additional perspective. It's not going to train your reflexes or body mechanics to do what you need to do.

[CFT]

No S#!T Sherlock. Are there any other astute observations that a Master of the Obvious, such as yourself, can offer?

Yes, fecal matter, Watson! When you ignore the same advice from 10 people, it doesn't hurt to hammer it home does it?

"when all other contingencies fail, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth" (The Adventure of Bruce-Partington Plans)

[bodhitree]

RD's right - this is not good advice. You don't practice blocking punches by punching, you practice blocking punches by... blocking punches. The rest of what you write in that post makes sense, because you're talking about practicing defense to get better at defense. But the first couple of sentences are ludicrous.

Practicing offense to get better at defense is, at best, going to provide some additional perspective. It's not going to train your reflexes or body mechanics to do what you need to do.

To get good at takedowns and takedown defense you need to wrestle/randori/whatever you want to call it. everything else will pretty much be out of context.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Great clips guys, THAT is what I am looking for!! Thanks!!!

Bring more!

[DPL]

To get good at takedowns and takedown defense you need to wrestle/randori/whatever you want to call it. everything else will pretty much be out of context.

He wasn't talking about getting good at takedowns. Just takedown defense. And to get good at takedown defense you need to practice takedown defense, not takedowns.

Find one or more people who are good at takedowns and work with them until they can't take you down anymore, or at least very rarely. Working on performing takedowns when your goal is to stand up is stupid.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Yes, fecal matter, Watson! When you ignore the same advice from 10 people, it doesn't hurt to hammer it home does it

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I wasn't ignoring it, it's just that i already know that really well. I have been in this game since about 1989. I know you need to work with real people, of real skill. I already do that when I can. I am not looking to be told over, and over again, ad nauseum, something I already know well. I am looking to explore new territory, and I want to look at what the best are doing (hence the desire for the clips), and making work, while still staying within the confines of predominantly stand up fighters, because Kung Fu is mostly stand up with lock and throws.

[Becca]

Find one or more people who are good at takedowns and work with them until they can't take you down anymore, or at least very rarely.

I used to have this aditude, too. You can only go so far with that method. Sooner or later you are going to need to get good at actually working the ground. A good grappler doesn't need to shoot to get you to the ground. And the only way you can get a good feel for all the many ways a grappler can get you there is to learn how to get others there yourself.

I could keep any and veryone from taking me down in the MMA crowd I used to spar with. I can still keep a good submission wrestler off me for a bit, but sooner or later, they will get me. I have been working with a top notch summission wrestler for almost 2 months now. He knows full well my main goal is to learn how to make my kung fu work against true grapplers.

The first thing he taught me was how to move like a wrestler. Then how to shoot like a wrestler. Now we are working on how to get back to my feet after I get taken down. The best part is, he's also a bit of a kung fu guy, so he's showing me how to get back to my feet using techniques common in kung fu.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

RD is a forms guy; they are never far from his mind.

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LOL!! But I really only work a small handfull of them, and most of that is working the techniques from the forms with my partner now....so I really am not accepted by the form fairies anymore either.

I am in limbo somewhere between the two.

[sanjuro_ronin]

RD's right - this is not good advice. You don't practice blocking punches by punching, you practice blocking punches by... blocking punches. The rest of what you write in that post makes sense, because you're talking about practicing defense to get better at defense. But the first couple of sentences are ludicrous.

Practicing offense to get better at defense is, at best, going to provide some additional perspective. It's not going to train your reflexes or body mechanics to do what you need to do.

I don't think you understand what I wrote.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Great clips guys, THAT is what I am looking for!! Thanks!!!

Bring more!

You can't learn what you want to know from clips of actual matches, you need to see clips of training and instructionals.

Just like you don't learn how to box from watching Roy Jones jr fight or Hopkins.