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i am traveling right now and do not have access to my books ... it is in one of the "letters" in the from of the book. it is signed jiang rong qiao. i will be home in 3 weeks and if you remind me i will copy the page and post a link..
i think it was in the forward of one of these 2 books ...
xingyi zha shi chui & ba shi chuan _by jiang rong-jiao_translated by joseph crandall_105 pages.
or
xingyi mu chuan (xing yi mother fists) _by jiang rong-jiao_translated by joseph crandall_115 pages,
best,
bruce
best,
bruce
Happy indeed we live,
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Amidst hostile men
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MK, do you believe that the guy in version you prefer is more powerful than in the other version? If so, why?Here is an example of what I mean.
This guy is NOT an SD player, but his form is performed much like I have seen SD folks peform in online videos (and at AAU Nationals in Dallas):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=f48lAjfJLek
Too much power and snap for a long fist form, and not enough continuous flow.
This is a much better example of the same form:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=h7_syGd3S0o
i will take your revision .. lol ... so how does this impact your thoughts on the content of shaolin do?
arent all of these "correct"?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kHykRsTgv...elated&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Bt5nN5i2x...elated&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jDOtSKIJAvA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_L6iGH0VQH8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YNThNtszGYo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6JmcGD42BMk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tU3Cb60oAQ0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qEpOkV_AvKI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=f48lAjfJLek
best,
bruce
Happy indeed we live,
friendly amidst the hostile.
Amidst hostile men
we dwell free from hatred.
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More powerful? No. I don't see a difference in power levels, just in the type of power generated. Short power has it's purposes, especially when grappling. Long Power is developed to strike from just outside the opponents range..like an anvil on the end of a rope.
Long Fist specializes in Long Power. Other styles, like Hung Gar, specialize in Short power. Two different methods.
Sure there are exceptions. CLF for example. But Praying Mantis is Long Fist (at least Northern Mantis. Southern Mantis is a different beast altogether).keywords" generally and mostly". what about CLF,HG, or PM??But you have only experience in some long fist right??and not all northern or southern fists correct??
My CMA training is only in Long Fist. I don't dabble outside of it, I don't try to pick up other forms. I only practice my system.
But I don't live in a bubble, and I've competed against a lot of folks at Taiji Legacy, AAU, etc... I'm not completely ignorant about other methods.
Counting from the top #7 and the 9th one was acceptable the rest were a joke right ??? Surely you guys dont think they represent real TCMA the key word being Martial. KC
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=jDOtSKIJAvA
Kathy Yang – Yi Lu Mei Fu – Yang Jwingming’s daughter
So you can see the difference between Wen Ching's form and Kathy Yang's...both from Yang Jwingming.
As for mixing jing...and the difference... well in general, it messes things up if you do a northern long fist method using southern short jing. You CAN make it work but it is mixing two things together.
As for the difference, well, northern is longer power. It tends to drive all the way back to the feet. The movement sort of - now this is hard to explain so I may not get the words right...it is almost as if the idea for power starts in the Tan Tien...it goes to the foot for the step and then rebounds all of the way to the striking part - like the hand or the foot. In a southern short hand, the idea starts in the Tan Tien and then it simultaneously goes down to the foot AND out to the striking part - the hand or the foot.... So in one, the smoothness helps the power get from the ground to the strike (long) and in the other, the strike arrives from the Tan Tien just about the time the whole body reverbs from the power sent to the ground for the root.
2 is good. 7 is good. 9 is a horrible example of Northern Long Fist power generation (in my opinion, of course).
Does this look powerful?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC-gQgQJm6k
Why doesn't Fedor have to snap his punches?
Last edited by MasterKiller; 08-24-2007 at 05:27 PM.
all of the people in those clips learned long fist from respected tcma lineages as far as i know, is the only way to do long fist the way your teacher showed you?
you are in essence saying that several legit masters do not know what they are teaching ??? and that only your understanding is correct. that is in my opinion closed minded.
best,
bruce
best,
bruce
Happy indeed we live,
friendly amidst the hostile.
Amidst hostile men
we dwell free from hatred.
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Last edited by Leto; 08-24-2007 at 05:39 PM. Reason: spelling
"I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor. The dark fire will not avail you, flame of Udun! Go back to the shadow, you cannot pass!"
I would respectfully disagree with some of the points above. The fact is, lineage IS important to a certain degree. One can easily see this by how much energy is devoted by many SDers on this forum to showing a direct link to the Shaolin Temple. That in itself is a lineage question. The fact is, a link to 'Shaolin' is seen as beneficial by more than a few in the system. Otherwise, GMT could have just taken a hybrid system and called it 'ho kum do', or 'me nu do', and it shouldn't matter.
An inaccurate lineage claim, I think, is akin to plagiarism in the real world. One cannot take a journal article or book chapter, rearrange a few words, and call it an original written by yourself. Likewise, to say that a particular form originates from your system when it really does not is inaccurate and misleading. I think this is one of the reasons why the rabidly anti-SD TCMAers get so up in arms about SD. They see SD as making a lineage claim that they have no business making. It warms my heart that some upper echelon individuals are aware of the Jiang Rong Qiao and Cheng Man Ching connection... but I thinkt that far too few SD schools have that same knowledge.
Likewise, at least in TCMA, the instructors that one has learned from does indeed matter. Although a lineage is not the ONLY thing by any means, it is more likely that good students will come from good teachers. Imagine from your above example that one of the 'non-scary' lower skill teachers opens up his own school. How will the quality of instruction differ from one of the 'scary' good teachers you mentioned above?
One last point of contention... I would say that you did indeed learn from 'hairy guy' and GGpappyIe. Not directly, to be sure, but if that lineage is indeed accurate, they are the teachers of the forms that you now learn, and credit and respect should be given where it is due. We stand on the shoulders of those who came before us... that would include our forerunners...
BTW Wookie, why are you now the master of 'chu Bagua'? I much prefer the 'master of the hydrospanner' tag
Leto...
Cincinnati Chili was something that really had to grow on me...
I ate some Skyline chili a few days after coming here and said 'neh...it's OK'.
Ate it a few months later, and said 'neh... it's OK'.
Then a few months later I thought to myself 'I feel like some Skyline chili'... then did a double take and said 'WTF, where did THAT come from?'
Now we eat that stuff at least once a month.
I think Bette Midler once called it 'the devil's baby food...'
Last edited by arinathos.valin; 08-24-2007 at 06:07 PM. Reason: spelling
Fedor doesnt have to snap his punches due to physics Mass x Velocity. he doesnt have to snap. But he looks sloppy to me that is the worst example of shadow boxing I have seen in a while. I am sure he is strong but his Boxing technique was mediocre at best. KC
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