Have you used WC in competition?

[Jeff Bussey]

Hey Phil,

Has anyone sparred with a boxer while using boxing gloves? If so were you able to pull off WC techs?

I did a short stint at a boxing gym here in Ottawa and actually I would do pak sao and then punch with the same hand. Kinda what Dale said except I punched in the face instead of leaving my hand open. Boxing has something similar to pak, you kinda flick punches away

J

[couch]

Hey Phil,


I did a short stint at a boxing gym here in Ottawa and actually I would do pak sao and then punch with the same hand. Kinda what Dale said except I punched in the face instead of leaving my hand open. Boxing has something similar to pak, you kinda flick punches away

J

I experienced the same "flick" on my boxing stint in Calgary. The flick wasn't "center" oriented, but was effective nonetheless. The partner drill was to flick a jab away with the rear hand and then fire a jab back immediately with the lead hand. The key element of the drill was to not let that rear-flick hand leave the chin for too long or have it go too far. Just enough to parry.

Best,
Kenton Sefcik

[LoneTiger108]

All my boxing and competitive training was done before I started Wing Chun.

I can still remember certain moves I liked and drilled as a kid that were definite point scorers! Mostly legwork though as I was fighting oldskool Karate guys who could only use their reverse punch. I think I was of the Urquidez/Wallace type generation. A time when the hands were put to the test by the feet, and lost!

Still, during my boxing days I never made it into the ring for a competition, as I was used as a sparring partner for the 'long-term' guys. I remember being hit in the face for the first time with gloves on. Expected it to be like a sponge, but no, it was a brick!

Looking forward to Seni'08 though, as I've heard of a possible Chisau Competition being planned (by Alan Orr). Couldn't enter myself, I feel, but some students may enter if the rules and promotions look good.

[AmanuJRY]

pak da and similar types of techs are called 'counter punching' in the MMA group I work with and I find that in this area, my chi sau skills definately give me an advantage....usually resulting in a clinch or takedown attempt.

[YungChun]

pak da and similar types of techs are called 'counter punching' in the MMA group I work with.

How about when PakDa is used from an already *in contact* condition?

[monji112000]

How about when PakDa is used from an already *in contact* condition?

I would see that position as clinching. For me I would make space or clinch.. not throw a pak sao.

[YungChun]

I would see that position as clinching. For me I would make space or clinch.. not throw a pak sao.

So in order to use WCK techniques you have to NOT be in contact????????

[YungChun]

I would see that position as clinching. For me I would make space or clinch.. not throw a pak sao.

In your avatar we see someone applying inside pak da where one arm covers two with a simultaneous strike..
Are you saying one would need to apply that move from an initial point of no contact--or outside of contact range?????

[kung fu fighter]

Hey Guys,

I have also fought full contact under san shou rules and won the Canadian heavy weight championship back in 2001. One of the most important things is to apply your wing chun "alive", as well as to control the ring space.

Thanks
Navin

[anerlich]

I would see that position as clinching. For me I would make space or clinch.. not throw a pak sao.

On one of Rodney King's DVD's he shows how to use a move very similar to an inside pak and threading arm to counter the Thai clinch.

AS you suggest, the pak is used to make space. It works quite well.

[sanjuro_ronin]

On one of Rodney King's DVD's he shows how to use a move very similar to an inside pak and threading arm to counter the Thai clinch.

AS you suggest, the pak is used to make space. It works quite well.

His clinch boxing or "crazy monkey" one?

[Liddel]

Do you wear the gloves? What size and do you also work with smaller NHB type gloves?

Against my boxing buddies i wear 16oz gloves, we dont have head gear so we only use my bag gloves (6 and 8oz) in pad work or very very light sparring or harder 'body shots only' sparring...... we mix types of sparring up a bit.

Ive personally not tried MMA gloves. Put them on in the store, would like them alot i think cause i get much more wrist action which gives me added power and usage out of my VT habbit actions.

Thats why Guarn Sao and my elbows are the biggest asset i have when wearing big gloves, no wrist play needed...its all in the forearms

When you use MMA gloves what type of wraps can/do you use, or are they not necessary with some/all brands ?

Merry xmas you lot...

DREW

[anerlich]

His clinch boxing or "crazy monkey" one?

the "Rodney King's Street Boxing" series. From his time with Matt Thornton.

I didn't mean to imply that WC had a whole suite of applications in the clinch necessarily, only to point out there were some possibilities.

Drew, best wishes to you and all you other argumentative b******s as well.

[stricker]

i think gloves can benefit the wing chun fighter in a ground and pound situation, or sorry, wing chun can benefit the gloved fighter, as you use forearm contact and elbow position to control limbs rather than having to grip using your wrist...

also, yeah there are many similar actions in wing chun as in other martial arts, as in all martial arts... pak sao/biu sao as a thai clinch escape is one, pak-punch in boxing another, etc... how you train is more important than technique, or having a concept or whatever, its doing it...

ps ex-wing chunner (who still has a place for it in his heart) ****ing about on the forum, have competed in am muay thai and adcc rules grappling... props to everyone who steps up, its not the critic who counts...

[Phil Redmond]

Hopefully Sat. I can make a short cilp of ways to use 14-16 oz gloves while sneaking some WC into the mix.