Originally Posted by
Liddel
The purpose for me is to drill techniques to get to the point of punching...meaning controlling an opponent to open up space, cross his hands, trip him up, catch his center etc
Happy New Year..
Not picking on you Drew just found your post useful to work off of..
I agree that ChiSao can be correctly used to train many different attributes..
However I disagree that for some reason we must leave out what we call power release. Not that it ALWAYS has to be full power or the focus every session..BUT a key attribute nonetheless.
Some of the advanced folks I know will instead of actually blasting just make a fist and move you backward with those fists or palms, showing good body connection.. This is the classical way IMO..
And that's okay but I feel very strongly that power generation incorporation is also key to bring that attribute out as we focus on bringing out the other attributes and skills you mentioned.
I see many folks with no power, body connection doing ChiSao with absolutely no fan sao or correct use of the body and movement--no lut sao jik chung possible.. If you don't want to bash them you still have to move them or otherwise have a body connection.. If this connection is not tested, verified and used then all the rest of it may well be useless IMO..
So if Ip Chun is advocating not using heavy punches in Chi Sao platforms but to spar then i agree.
And I agree with Victor on this one. No need to blast your students for the camera or whatever, but... IMO making a point of not including power generation along with and right along side of all the other attributes is not helpful in ensuring their presence and viability, especially in conjunction with these other skills. If my partner can touch my chest but not move me or break my structure with his technique then he had no technique.. Guys used to do this from other schools years ago and I would just step into them and break their balance.
If i used hard punching power the drill wouldnt be able to cycle as much
No idea why not.. Rolling for us is normally complete once the action starts.. Then either someone takes control or not. If they do they hit... If they don't they get it; or both fail.. RESET.. That simple.
people would need time outs
They do anyway...
With hitting going on (assuming they are at that level) then they are building up the ability to not only issue strong hits but take them as well.. Key attributes..
the skill aspect would lack because some would focus on a game of 'hard tag' rather than focusing on the skill of sticking and controlling
Main purpose IMO is to develop the same skills you will later use..
All techniques IMO control in one way or another.. The power in the strikes control as a part of that power!! So if no power then no training control through power.
The focus IMO of WCK is close range striking--if so then it's hard to justify not doing what everything else is supposed to set up.
Then you have another issue:
If no actual powerful striking then you don't get to train resistance to that powerful striking... Again key attributes.
Last edited by YungChun; 01-02-2008 at 05:20 PM.
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