triad involvement doesnt really mean too much though
tongs were set up in american china towns by the chinese basically to govern themselves after a fashion because the chinese were basically left to themselves for a good amount of time. to the point that police wouldnt even police in china town.
NYC is where the first chinatown and tongs were set up.
also tongs were a place that chinese could go to get help with connections for employment.
a major involvment the tongs had on the chinese community was to help with getting equal opportunity in a sense.
heaven, earth and man.
For whoso comes amongst many shall one day find that no one man is by so far the mightiest of all.
back on topic.....
Chan Tai San
"Lo han Sai Sin"
Northern shaolin on the shaolin forum sent me this years ago:
"NorthernShaolin
Senior Member
Registered: Dec 1969
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 121
diego,
Interesting reading. Master Ming was known as Master Harry Ng here.
From what I could remember, it was common knowledge that Master Ng had a small school on Powell street where he trained the Chinese Mafia soldiers late at nite. The style that he taught was Hop Gar which has always been associated with the Chinese mafia. In the past, if you mention that you learned Hop Gar, you were a thought as a ganster and regarded as a dangerous person who should not to be associated with.
It was very common in the old days for the Chinese Mafia to hire kung fu masters such as Master Ng, put up a front kung fu school, and have them train their youth gang members known as soldiers.
Master Ng's death was an effort by the Chinese mafia to stop an uprising of their soldiers and gave the excuse that Master Ng could not control his students, i.e., the trained gang soldiers. Originally the soldiers were given an assignment but were unable to complete it but still demanded payment of $2,000 from the mafia for an unsucessfully job performed. If the Chinese mafia did not pay, the soldiers threaten to expose their gambling houses and prositution houses.
As a result of the threat, the mafia hired a 15 year old kid and was assigned to shoot Master Ng who took four slugs (22-cal.), one in each knee and two in the chest. This sent a loud message to the soldiers-back off or your going to be next.
Anyway, my knowledge seems to be in line with David Chin's accounts but I really can not verify if it is true."
So, suppossedly kaido the guy who taught my stepdad picked up san sau from Ng Ming
http://lionsroar.name/tony_galvin_lineage_page.htm
Tony Galvin says Kaido learned Hop Gar San Sao from Ming in SF...suppossedly know one else in the hop gar world knows who kaido is, and his students don't know where he got it from...I'm guessing he studied with these gang kids...it seems lama and hop gar are pretty hush hush when it comes to Media...why?.
Cool picture Ross sifu. My monitor sucks, i can't see the crest on his shirt. Is
that the lama insignia?
I have Tat Ma Wong tapes but its really only forms. Is that all there is in Choy Lay Fut? I searched for a school locally and all I can come up with is Maxfit. They teach Cjoy Lay Fut and Lama Pai (never heard of this) but instructor trained with Chan Tai San and I did research and got to this forum.
Also, there's a Shaolin Kempo place in Babylon but I cant figure out of that Kung Fu (Chinese) or not. It looks more like Hawiian or Ed Parker type but it's all mixed.
www.shaolinkempo.com
Is this Kung fu?
-David
someone's business must be doing really badly if they need to troll forums to try and drum up business
In my humble opinion, people should stick to the facts of their training, what they actually learned and rely upon their actual skills as opposed to making up stories, lying about credentials and trying to string along people making them think they can learn a system when the instructor only has 2 or 3 forms of said system
but that's just me.....
I am a student of Chan Tai San, I learned TONS of lama pai and only a little Choy Lay Fut. I don't claim to be a CLF person, I would never teach it. Having studied TONS of Lama, I can tell you that if you only have sahp jih, sahp jih kau da and siu lo han, you do NOT have Lama.... not by a long stretch
Yes, white crane (Pak HOk Pai) logo, sifu was good friends with them, taught there, helped them do lion dancing, etc
have some more pics of him with them, will dig them up