Shou Shu

[CFT]

LOl I was going to point the op there The ever present Mr Lee Waters!

He (might even be a she!) has done a good job finding first eye witnesses to the Moore's training in American kempo. I always thought their back story was dodgy.

[L.Waters]

Male, and old thank you.

Shou Shu in a nut shell.

Al and family trained under, Al Tracy, Richard Lee, Bob Blackmoore, Steve Labounty. I confirmed all but Mr. Blackmoore. And when asked about prior martial arts training before Kenpo, or training in China, all had the same respectful answer, Not to my knowledge!

Systems, Tracy's Kenpo, Richard Lee's Bok Fu do, and Ed Parkers American Kenpo.

Richard lee was one of only three Tracy Kenpo 10 degree black Belts

http://www.bokfudo.com/HallOfFame1960s.aspx

http://www.bokfudo.com/HallOfFame1970s.aspx

http://www.network54.com/Forum/32658...rd+of+Al+Moore

http://silvertigerkungfu.com/SilverT...formation.html

The ever present
L.W.

[Su Lin]

Woooooah that was freaky Are you omnipotent Lee? Good job I didn't say anything horrible!

[Eddie]

Then we had a kung fu staredown, and I propelled my qi through her.

was she atleast cute? The girl I mean?

nothing worst than propelling your qi through an ugly girl.

[bodhitree]

was she atleast cute? The girl I mean?

nothing worst than propelling your qi through an ugly girl.

with a paper bag it doesn't really matter! i would avoid using plastic bags though

[L.Waters]

Shou shu history, By Sheng Chi Kung Fu

http://www.allstars.net.au/history.html

Please reply with opinions.

L.W.

[B-Rad]

Pretty silly. Sounds like something made up in a junior high creative writing class ;-)

BTW, anyone else think this guy looks a bit creepy?
http://www.allstars.net.au/photos/misc/Raphael.jpg

[L.Waters]

In Al Moore's own words. (1976 interview) Date known from checking contractor lic. board on ad for Don Bricker Genral Contractor. Lic #313006 on Page six of interview. Notice he never speaks of his history with Richard Lee, Al Tracy or Mr Parker and their systems in the interview.

http://homepage.mac.com/tony_baltera.../Interview.pdf

Started martial arts at the age of thirteen, (1939) Born 2/28/26 Fresno County, Kung Fu master in China after World War Two, (1944) so we will give him to 1950 with The Chinese Revolution and all. 1950 Mr Moore would have been twenty four years of age when he claims to have become a Kung Fu master. A total of eleven years of training. 1939 to 1950.

Wonder why he never spoke of these grand adventures with the men he studied Kenpo with in the late 1960's.

Guess he saved the stories for his students.

List of Bok Fu Do Techniques found in Shou Shu!
http://www.kokarate.com/TechniquesC.html#top

L.W.

[L.Waters]

U.S.A. Martial Arts Hall of Fame.

Vance Cody- http://www.redlandsdailyfacts.com/ci_8109617

Ted Guerrero- http://www.kingmandailyminer.com/mai...ectionID=3&S=1 ( Newspaper The Kingman - Daily Miner )

I can't find them listed, is this for real or just a BS site where you send in your money and get your name on a list, and if it is BS what kind of reporters are Rob Weiler of the Kingman Daily Miner and
Vanessa D. Overbeck of the Redlands Daily Facts. Did they research the history of Shou Shu. People wonder why people get upset with the press.

Wonder who voted these men in? If anyone knows please post.

L.W.

[L.Waters]

Hat off to Mr Guerrero.

http://www.scfudji.de/eng.site/ShouShu01.html


Time frame a little off, Mr Lee started teaching Bok Fu in 1967 so the techniques of Bok Fu found in Shou Shu came after Al Jr's completion of Bok Fu in the 1970's. Shou Shu came to be in the early to mid 70's. Unless Al and Ralph just copied the systems and techinques they had trained in.

The Tracy brothers opened a second school, in Sacramento, in 1962, and a third, in San Jose, in 1963

Time Frame,four to five years Min for black belt, would put Al Tracy's first Black Belt's at around 1966 or 67. So first degree black belt for Al Moore would be around this time.

Mr Labounty Quote. All of this was in the late 60's. Big Al and Ralph decided to go their own way and get into the Shou Shu material.


Point of view, Truth being Mr Moore lied to newspapers, students and made liers and fools of many, and lived this lie to the end. Really a pretty sad story.

Now we will see the Shou Shu instructors who sticks with the lie, or sets the story stright with their students!

L.w.

[golden arhat]

shou shu in mandarin dialect means surgery

that is easily the best name for an art

sugery
kinda says

i'm going to take you a part

make you bleed

swap your organs around

take your heart out

possibly kill you

knock you out

use knives on you

etc


all in one word

surgery

best name ever

[L.Waters]

Out of the mouth of babe's.

L.W.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...deoID=27292065

[L.Waters]

MOORE'S OF SACRAMENTO IS NOW
THE KARATE ROOM!



http://www.mooresofsacramento.com/

[B-Rad]

lol, that's terrible

[B-Rad]

Yes, it's a word used to refer to medical surgery.