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    My take

    I was going to wait but decided not to. I think I should have. This is my initial reaction, not having read or heard anyone else's opinion yet.

    As a movie, I was actually disappointed. The contemporary scenes were a bit corny and those gang members were just ridiculous.

    Watching Jackie and Jet fight together was amazing. Jackie's "Drunken" style was nice to see again. Jet played a good Monkey King, very playful and obnoxious and his stonefaced (sometimes laughing) Silent Monk was a good foil for Chan's antics and jokes.

    Collin Chou was cool to watch. He seems to be getting a bit more American exposure. A bit of irony...he was Jet's replacement in Matrix Reloaded.

    I was anxious to see what they would do with the "Bride With White Hair" and they just messed it up. The original movie had a better depiction. Li Bingbing is SOOO attractive but the 'bride' was better played by Brigette Lin.

    Liu Yife was the underdog qt in this one. Whether as Sparrow or just a 'Chinatown Girl,' she's got screen presence. I know I'll be seeing her in future films.

    Michael's acting in this movie gave me some lines on my forehead. Him screaming in English while other people were speaking Mandarin didn't sit well for me. I think he could've put on a stronger performance. Seems he was still in "Sky High" mode...

    All the fight scenes rocked. That, and a chance to see the two gorgeous actresses would probably be my only reasons for watching this movie again.

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    I agree about the lead actor. His acting didn't do it for me, but he did surprise me a bit in the fights. But all I keep reading in reviews is how good his acting is. WHat the hell are these people smoking! I went into the movie thinking it would be horrible, but I liked it. I rated it a 7/10.
    "For someone who's a Shaolin monk, your kung fu's really lousy!"
    "What, you're dead? You die easy!"
    "Hold on now. I said I would forget your doings, but I didn't promise to spare your life. Take his head."
    “I don’t usually smoke this brand, but I’ll do it for you.”
    "When all this is over, Tan Hai Chi, I will kick your head off and put it on my brother's grave!
    "I regard hardships as part of my training. I don't need to relax."

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    just read gene's article

    and it was good as expected liked the interview with colin the best, the guy is going to do big things. one thing about the pictures of gene that i just couldn;t help but noticing th striking resemblance you have to th star of my film under the gun(a crime story)

    WARNING: this is not a plug(ok its a bit of a plug but hey they do look alike)

    you can also check out his insanley popular and hillariously funny youtube video's where you can see his face better Shyaporn theerakulstit

    he could be your ling lost little brother. except for the fac thats he's thai and your chinese!!!!
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    i'm not sure how to take that doug

    Thanks for the props on the article. But comparing me to an thai emo hamlet. I dunno, man, those are fightin' words.

    I enjoyed talking to Collin. I made a slight faux pas by starting by telling him I've been following his career. You're never supposed to open with that, but in my case, it was true. Talking to Rob was cool too. He came from this entirely different angle and I got a good laugh out of him with my 'lion king to monkey king' line, to which he countered immediately with his Rafiki comment. That quick comeback was to his credit. Plus he referenced Chuck Jones and I always bow down to masters like Jones. Crystal totally bewitched me. She's really luminous in person - a true starlet - and makes such penetrating eye contact that it was difficult to stay focused. And I've had many discussions with John in preparation for the cover story, so it was really great to meet him in the flesh. We could have rapped for hours, but he was on a rather strict interview schedule.
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    chuck jones

    i once wrought a paper of the relation between the chuck jones cartoon's and good kung fu comedy films. got a b+. as for shy he does all these funny ass video's on youtube that particular one was about how theater is dead check out his one on how asian's are secretly planning to take over the world.

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    TFK sequel

    Was your paper before or after Kung Fu Hustle, doug? If before, you should take it back to your prof and say "I told you so"

    Another "Forbidden Kingdom" expected

    The overwhelming box-office success of the action-adventure flick "The Forbidden Kingdom" has prompted its producers to shoot a sequel.

    Sources from the film's Chinese investor and distributor, Huayi Brothers, said Tuesday they will once again collaborate with Hollywood for part two of the Jackie Chan-Jet Li film, the Beijing Times reported.

    The two action heroes will appear in the follow-up film, together with actress Li Bingbing, who made her major Hollywood debut with "Forbidden Kingdom."

    The sequel is likely to feature a romance between Jet Li and Li Bingbing's characters, the Beijing Times report says.

    According to earlier rumors, Huayi Brothers president Wang Zhongjun said a sequel would be made if global revenue of "The Forbidden Kingdom" hit US$50 million.

    The film raked in almost half that amount in its opening weekend in North America two weeks ago, topping the local box office with US$20.9 million. According to the Beijing Times, the US$70-million film has already broken even.

    (CRI May 7,2008)
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    WAAAY Before!!!

    and i actually gave him the paper with a copy of the film. he sent the paper back with an A+. not that it meant anything i wasn't even in college anymore.lol

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    so finally watched this film, and i gotta say i liked it my nephew loved it. i actually was confused a bit with some things and then remembered that the story was written by a westerner. cause certain things didn't make sence to me cause i know alot about the monkey king and so some of the story was a little like huh? and then i read an interview where jackie chan said pretty much the samething. but you know what none of that matters aside from the white kid who really shouldn;t have been in the film at all the film was really good. i didn't know that jet li was actually an investor in the film, and so was yuen woo ping who was the exec. producer or at least one of them. anyway the film reminded me of wizard of Oz. and never ending story combined. i just wish that instead of having a kung fu movie obsessed white kid they could've had a super westernized chinese kid who is so far removed from his culture and then he finds this artifact in his family's attic or something and is transfered back to ancient china. i think that would've made a much better story. also they don't explain why everyone goes from speaking chinese to speaking english i'm going to assume that the staff gave him the abillity to understand what they were saying. thats a stretch yes but its the only explanation i could come up with. i'm gonna give this film a 7 out of 10. lets see what they do with the sequal.

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    Doug, I assumed the kid could just suddenly understand because it is... after all, essentially a mystical dream for the dude. At first he's confused and then it's like the subtitles kick in in his kung fu cinema obsessed mind.

    I do like your idea for a totally Westernized Chinese-American kid though. That may have worked better, but knowing where the writer was coming from I was pleased. The dude's love for kung fu and kung fu movies and the fact that he wrote this movie based on a bedtime story he told his son make this one great in my opinion. I'll be interested to see what happens for a sequel.

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    A sequel. It would be a good venue to fix certain things. Li Binbing was underutilized in this movie, as I had noted before. It would be nice to see her in a love scenario.

    Let's also not forget Crystal Liu...

    Never Ending Story + Wizard of Oz + Warriors of Virtue.

    It would not have bothered me to read subs throughout the movie. Jet and Jackie could have just spoken Mandarin throughout. The gimmick that could have been used was that the kid was given an ability to understand Mandarin. Similar to Dougie's idea without the need for mangled English. Since this was almost over 50% a "period piece" of martial arts film, it would have given the ambiance a boost.

    Or they could have had Michael A. take basic Mandarin lessons....? Maybe not.

    This movie I can see would be very popular with children. Still, the fights i liked.
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    "A fool with a sword is more dangerous than any weapon..."

    “If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.”--John Quincy Adams

    "If you have an unconquerable calmness, you can overcome the enemy without force" -Bushi Matsumura

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    jackie chan and njet li talking trash about each other


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    For those who have seen the movie:

    Right after they start grinding Random Caucasian through the steps of Kung Fu 101, we have a 10second shot of Golden Sparrow performing some taiji-esque empty hand form, which looked pretty cool. Was that actual taiji, or Movie Fu?
    SevenStar: It's hilarious seeing people's reactions when they see a big, black dude with a sword walking toward them.

    Masterkiller: Especially when they're at the ATM.

    WTF? How did we go from the White Haired Devil strangling and beating guys to death in a teahouse, to Mr Miyagi and Jhoon Rhee?
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    Nice Chan interview

    "Jackie Chan is a myth and I’m in survival right now."

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    Jul 13 2008 Wales on Sunday

    Jackie Chan is Hollywood’s favourite all-action hero. Currently starring in The Forbidden Kingdom and Kung Fu Panda, the star tells EMILY LAMBERT why he now wants to make the transition from martial arts star to serious actor...

    WHEN Jackie Chan first heard about the concept of his new movie The Forbidden Kingdom, he certainly had his doubts.

    “I would never make this kind of film,” he says, smiling. “For me, these kinds of films are ridiculous. It doesn’t make sense. But the American audience, I think, is interested. So every time I make an American film, I trust the American writer and the American director.”

    The film sees New York young kung fu fan Jason Tripitikas (Michael Angarano) magically thrust into ancient China where he befriends wise kung fu master Lu Yan (Jackie Chan) and a warrior played by Jet Li.

    They team up to free the Monkey King, who has been imprisoned by the powerful Jade War Lord.

    Jackie, who shot much of the movie on location in China, says: “This is just like a fantasy – a fairytale but I made this movie because I know American culture and American people like it.”

    Despite Jackie’s initial reservations, he couldn’t resist the chance to work with another famous Chinese movie fighter – Jet Li – either.

    After years of trying to team up on film, Jackie had almost given up on the idea of working with him by the time The Forbidden Kingdom came along.

    “I have always hoped to make movies with some people I really admire, like Dustin Hoffman and Robert De Niro, before I retire from this business,” he says.

    “Jet Li is someone whom I have wanted to work with for more than 10 years. Every time I see Jet we say, ‘Let’s do it!’ This time it happened because Casey Silver, the producer, was in the middle. Every 10 days he would call and tell me Jet Li was happy with the script, before sending it to me. He was the one flying back and forth making the whole thing happen.”

    But far from being a battle of the egos between two movie martial arts legends, Jackie says co-ordinating fight scenes with Jet felt comfortable.

    “After the first cut, the director comes up and says ‘Can you guys slow down?’,” Jackie says with a laugh.

    “I want to show off quick and he wants to show off quick, but then we slowed down. It was fun. Fighting with him is very comfortable. I’ve fought so many different actors who just don’t know how to fight. It makes you hurt and it doesn’t look good. And I think because I’m good, it makes him comfortable!”

    However, Jet Li is, at 45, almost 10 years younger than 54-year-old Jackie. As the energetic and animated star grows older, it inevitably becomes harder to perform the big kung fu stunts he did so effortlessly on film at a younger age.

    Hence one of the reasons Jackie is now trying to make the transition from kung fu movie star to serious actor.

    “I think for the last six or five years, I’ve changed my style,” he says, earnestly. “Right after The Forbidden Kingdom, I finished a movie called The Shinjuku Incident. It’s maybe 1% action. Heavy drama. The next one will be big action, then maybe a love story.

    “I want to change. I want to be a real actor and not just an action star.

    “An action star’s film life is very short. Jackie Chan is a myth and I’m in survival right now.

    “It’s been more than 30 years, but how much longer can I keep fighting? This is why I have to change, change, change. I’m not like I used to be – I’m tired.”

    Having shattered his body over years of high-octane movie stunts, Jackie isn’t worried about putting himself into risky positions for his art, although these days, safety is paramount on movie sets, with producers unwilling to risk stars’ safety.

    “Making a Hollywood film, you don’t get a very big injury risk because whatever they do they have to check first to make sure everything is safe,” says Jackie.

    In fact, Jackie seems more bothered about the excessive make-up he had to wear to play the old Chinatown pawnshop owner and the long wig as Lu Yan in The Forbidden Kingdom.

    “It’s so itchy and the shooting was so hot in the desert,” he complains. “Probably the young people are used to it. But for the old guy – wow! I could have killed the director!

    “The masks and make-up took hours every day. Five days on the go I got up at four o’clock in the morning, then was in make-up until 12.30pm. One o’clock after lunch, first shot. Two shots, then wrap. I said, ‘No – shoot more!”’

    Although the Hong Kong-born Jackie still keeps his fame very much alive in Western movies, recently providing a voice for the character of Monkey in Dreamworks hit Kung Fu Panda, he is also keen to help build up the Chinese film industry.

    He wants Hollywood to make more Chinese films, something, which as the tourist ambassador for the region, he is passionate about.

    “I’d like to thank Disney and Dreamworks for making Chinese culture movies like Mulan, Forbidden Kingdom and Kung Fu Panda,” he says. “Superman and Spiderman, we know. Whenever we try to make some very famous Chinese story overseas, nobody knows about it. But because Disney makes Mulan, now the whole world knows Mulan.

    “We need a famous American director or studio to help us make Chinese traditional cultural movies and bring the history to the world. Then people will understand China more. The more they understand, the more people will be interested in China, and the more people will come to China to visit us.”

    This year, more than ever, China will be in the public eye, as Beijing plays host to the 2008 Olympics.

    Already, the event has been the subject of worldwide controversy with protests over China’s occupation of Tibet during Olympic torch relays. But Jackie is dismissive of the protests, maintaining that politics and sport should be kept separate.

    “I’m the Olympic ambassador and I always promote the Olympics,” he declares.

    “The Olympics and politics cannot mix. Olympics for me is love, peace and being united.

    “I don’t know why but every four years at the Olympics, no matter what country it is held in, a lot of people come out to oppose.

    “They did for the US, for Russia. But this year, everyone just concentrates on China. It doesn’t happen just with China, it happens everywhere.

    “I want to say, ‘Please understand there are some naughty boys who for no reason, just want to show off on the TV’.

    “Like I said, I want more tourists coming to China, watching the Olympics, being welcomed, and more Chinese films,” he adds. “Please for the future, write more Chinese things.”
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    Li Bingbing

    Ever since FK, I've been following Li Bingbing's career. She's quite remarkable.
    Li Bingbing: Ambassador of Korean Culture
    2008-08-20 21:44:13

    South Korea's Culture, Sports and Tourism Minister Yu In-chon presents a plaque to Chinese actress Li Bingbing appointing her South Korea's Cultural Ambassador in China at his office in Seoul on August 20, 2008. [Photo: ent.sina.com.cn]
    Kung-fu blockbuster "The Forbidden Kingdom" has given Chinese actress Li Bingbing not only a solid international following, but also a historic honor.

    On Wednesday, Li was appointed by South Korea's Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism as the country's Cultural Ambassador in China. She will be named as the Promotional Ambassador for Seoul by the city mayor on Thursday, Sina.com.cn reported.

    That would make the 32-year-old actress the first Asian entertainer in the Korean history to receive two official titles at the same time, Sina says, citing Joongang Daily, a major Korean newspaper.

    With the titles, Li will shoulder the responsibility of promoting Korean culture in China.

    "The Forbidden Kingdom," lauded as the first cooperation between kung-fu kings Jackie Chan and Jet Li, opened in South Korea in late April to packed houses.

    Li Bingbing, who makes her international debut by playing a white-hair demon, has inspired many Korean girls to dye their hair white, Sina says.
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    Li Bingbing, who makes her international debut by playing a white-hair demon, has inspired many Korean girls to dye their hair white, Sina says.
    LOLZ!
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