A strict kwoon:-Good or bad?

[logic]

In a kwoon or dojo, does how strict it is make you a better martial artist.do you think it helps a little or do you think it helps a lot?

In my kwoon if we are late for class it's 50 extra push ups.

there is no cursing at all.

No bad talking about another student or school.

bowing in and out of class.(of course)

When the bell rings to announce the start of class you immediatly stop what you are doing and line up in formation at attention.

If you are not going to make it to class you have to call with a reason.

and some other stuff.
I have a lot of self discipline and train often,and I feel like sh!t if I don't train.I believe it helps to some degree but I always said what you put into M.A. is what you get out of M.A. So I feel I would be the same without a strict kwoon.

Any thoughts

Honest Neutral Clarity

[DelicateSound]

I wish mine was like that. At my old judo dojo I never missed a session without a good reason, or I'd get "catch-up work". At my present kwoon, it's very formal. We still have a lot of respect for each other and for other schools, its just that I seem to miss more sessions these days, like the one I missed today (sniff). :)

"Tomorrow's life is too late. Live today."
Marcus Valerius Martialis

[DelicateSound]

TYPO: "It's very formal" SHOULD READ:

"It's NOT very formal", which makes much more sense.

See I miss one session... :rolleyes:

"Tomorrow's life is too late. Live today."
Marcus Valerius Martialis

[Budokan]

You think that's strict? That's normal, not strict.

K. Mark Hoover

[qeySuS]

I love discipline! That just makes the people that shouldnt/dont wanna be there leave faster.

One drawback though, i've started to bow to a lot of people when i shake their hand (not a big bow just a small one), and i've come very close to saying "yes kjosanim" to my teachers at school and stuff like taht (kjosanim is what you call TKD blackbelts up until 5th dan).

Free thinkers are dangerous!

[EARTH DRAGON]

As bodakan said that is not strict but normal. I run a tradtional 8 step school and we have all those rules and more. Although I tend to have fun with my students when I teach them I do not tolerate any kind of horse play or goofing off. Its OK to talk while class in in sesion as long as it is involving learning, but the hey did you see that movie or hows that new video game talking is only allowed during stretching time be fore and after class. you should be happy your teacher is strict. it instills good morales.

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[straight blast]

I go to training to train. If I can have a few laughs along the way all the better, but the prime reason I am there is to learn. I like discipline. I believe wholeheartedly that if you are late you should be doing pushups or whatever. I am always at least 20 minutes early for a class and the couple of times I've rocked up late due to traffic, roadworks etc. I've jumped down and done the pushups/warmup routine myself before the instructor has even asked me. I think it's a good thing.
What I think is a really good thing is calling if you can't make it. My old JingWu Sifu used to travel about 55 kilometers to teach. He made absolutely no profit whatsoever, just enough to hire the hall to train in, and sometimes enough to cover his fuel. There were times when he'd turn up and there would only be myself and maybe only two other people there, not enough to cover the hiring of the hall. We would pitch in the extra to cover his costs (voluntarily) but it wasn't fair that he had to drive all the way out to make a loss. If people had called, it would have been a s**tload easier.
Keep with your kwoon. Sounds good :cool:

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Before somebody else takes you out of the frame
And puts your name to shame
Cover up your face
You can't run the race
The pace is too fast,
You just won't last!"

[joedoe]

Our classes are much more easy-going. We impose punishments if people muck up, and also if you are late. We bow at the start and end of each class. But ultimately, the person training has to have the self discipline to train properly. They don't have to be there if they don't want to, and if they fail to train properly they are the ones who don't progress.

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[Wongsifu]

discipline is cool as long as its discipline and not the teacher having an inferiority complex , some stuff is just screwed up like , if you aint gonna show to class you gotta call. or if you are late you do 50 push ups, if you are late and you cant make it , theres obviously a reason, calling will just delay the rest of the class as th esifu who has already started the lesson has to stop and answer th ephone.

other stuff is logical like startign as soon as the bell sounds, it wouldnt look good if you just picked your nose whilst the rest of the class is doing the push ups

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[anerlich]

I agree with the rules of logic's kwoon. Pretty normal IMHO. Seniors also get punishment drills for not paying attention while the instructor is teaching. We also have a training dress code.

The only one of logic's rules that doesn't apply is calling if you are going to miss class, my kwoon has at least 18 classes a week and the phone would never stop ringing.

We have unwritten rules about the conduct of sparring with juniors and about respecting juniors. Most of these are basic human decency and common sense, but a few students get shown the door each year due to bad attitude, sexual harassment/stalking of female students, ripoffs, etc.

The only other rules we have are that everyone starts at the bottom and no one rides for free.

[Pika]

Punnished for arriving late?

We are all adults where I train. If work or other circumstances make you late, so be it.

[joedoe]

Would you arrive late to a business meeting? No? Why not? Because it is a sign of disrespect to not bother to make the effort to get there on time.

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[rubthebuddha]

i think there's merits to always being on time, but some instructors just want to see you when you can get there.

i know a lot of old kwoons weren't set up so you'd show up exactly at 5:30 for class. timepieces weren't exactly the norm a ways back. so students just came when they could. was a bit more hit and miss, but such is life.

however, now with the way society has evolved, coming on time is important. i'd hate for one of my students to come to one of my introductory classes 15 minutes late and have to reintroduce the important elements of kim yee ma all over again.

considering i have about 45 minutes of time when my students break off from the main class to train with me and i have a lot to cover in very little time, i need every minute i can get. what's more, having to review it makes everyone suffer as they need the time i'd spend reviewing to be taught other stuff.

so i can see it both ways. as in most cases, it depends on the sifu and his or her preferences.

-rtb

[Satanachia]

The first thing i want to say is it depends on the kind of student you are as to what suits you best. Now that's out of the way...

Our training takes a completely different approach altogether to most people's here. And i mean completely different. But it is non-traditional...
Being directly attached to the university though, also means our class only contains adults.

In short, after you've paid money, we do whatever we really want. You don't want to turn up, don't turn up. You don't want to spar, don't spar. You want to spend the entire time working on drills, fine. Everyone does what they want to do, at whatever level of intesity they want.

Basically in training, we only do that which you couldn't do by yourself. So that means we don't do fitness stuff, you don't have to do pushups, or sit ups, or anything like that (of course some choose to anyway) because its up to you to do that stuff during your own time outside of class, either at home, or in a gym or whatever. In a class, we'll start with some kicking against shield thingies, then move on to our different punching drills against targets (kicks are sometimes thrown in in varying ammounts), then after that move onto grappling/chin na/special drill type things, and finish off with either sparring, wrestling, or continuing on what we were doing earlier. During each section, how hard you go is up to you, and the teacher will come around, tell you what your doing wrong, or if you're doing it right, demonstrate different points and applications and such and be open for absolutely any questions we have to ask. If you want to punch with huge gloves on, you can, but if you want to go barefist to try and simulate reality(which usually results in bloodied knuckles in begginers when they try to do it despite being warned against it) then you can. If you want to resist in the grappling techniques, go for it, since it helps with the realism, but if your partner asks you not to, have the courtesy to do so.

We don't have belts or rankings. I mean sure we've got begginers, and senior students and the teacher, but their really non-set definitions, since everyone works to help everyone else, sort of like one big happy family. If someone asks for help in a certain area, they always get it, and if someone wants to train a specific point or technique different to that which is being shown, they can.

We don't have any punishments (hell the bruises on the fore arms from blocking is often punishment enough).

We can curse if we want and talk perfectly normally.

We even pay each other out and occasionally make fun of each other when something stupid or funny happens, just like friends do.

In the end, you get out of it exactly what you want to. Everyone helps everyone else, senior students help begginers, begginers help seniors, sparing/grappling goes however hard or fast you want it to, and our teacher is always there to offer hints and tips about what is most likely to work, what happens when people resist or are too strong, etc.

The only real "traditional" part we have is the bowing at the end of class. But that's it.

Everyone there is mature and adult enough, and it works out absolutely perfectly. No disputes within our class, and everyone enjoys coming. And we all learn something. And in the warm-down part at the end of class, its like a small gossip session where we seem to talk about whatevers going on in the world or any topics on anyones mind, all of course while people are stretching and such so they aren't as sore the next day.

I'm not big on discipline. Someone else said it makes the people that don't want to be there leave faster, while i generally find the opposite to be true. In our club, its ONLY the people who want to be there who turn up, and its great.

For someone like me and for most other people in the class, it works out magnificently :D

[Pika]

You cannot compare work with training. Work pays you to be there, and yes, with a reason, you are not punnished for being late.

You pay your instructor, if you do not interupt others training by being late, the only person who id disadvantaged by missing training is you.

Punishment enough.