WHO TOLD YOU?!?!?
Oh, wait, nm.
WHO TOLD YOU?!?!?
Oh, wait, nm.
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you could refer to this post in the other thread
http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...2&postcount=38
Or, you know, the post where you say basically the same thing I said in this thread.
LOL the fact that you agree with my opinion doesn't make me less interested in expressing that opinion.
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The thing is, if you are gonna punch with gloves, you are gonna box.
Bare knuckle boxing looks a lot more like TMA than it does Modern Sport Boxing in many ways.
Short power and "impulse/kinetic" power oriented strikes don't work with gloves.
Even the light MMA ones still lend themselves to typical boxer punching.
Also, the 4 punches of boxing ( and their "off-shots") are also the basic punches of every other MA.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
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So once again, the lama pai family is/are the only ones that MISSED the joke.....
But even more astounding is everyone ELSE got it, and replied appropriately. Even though you undoubtedly read those replies, and shuld have been clued in to the humor EVERYONE ELSE GOT, instead you come back with a huge long post trying to argue with me as if I had even the slightest sense of seriousness when I wrote that.
Nice job there sport.
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And to further my rant, I do whole heartedly recognize the value of Western boxing. My father Boxed in the Military, and taught me from the time I was like 10. So I am vaugly familiiar with it.
Second, to BEAT a boxer with Kung Fu, you don't need to study for any great length, just enough to figure out the weaknesses (And Boxing is fairly limited and full of holes).
The danger of a Boxer is NOT his hands as everyone thinks, it is his footwork, and ability to acquire a superior position with that footwork.
You have to understand though, the boxer will be picking a range to strike from, thta is thier only tactical strategy. They don't ahve anything else.
They don't kick, or throw, and they are hardly used to such attacks in thier training or competitions. Also, thier foot work make them especially vulnerable to any sort of leg threading, hooking sweeping motions.
Taking them out IS literally as easy as my off the cuff joking post from before. You just have to get past thier footwork first.
Any of you so called "Fighters" should easily see this.
When is Boxing good to know? If you are a BJJ guy who needs some additional striking skills for dealing with BJJ trained stand up fighters.
Why? because it is vulnerable to take downs, and you WANT to go to the ground.
As to the Chinese doing Boxing EIGHTY YEARS AGO, who cares? That was 80 years ago. According to the MMA crowd everyone sucked 80 yeas ago, so why bring it up.
Oh, and speaking of the MMA crowd, when they "Box" they are not doing actual Boxing anyway. they need to "ADAPT" it because f both the threat, and desire to be taken down, dealing with kicks and other variables not in a Boxers relm.
In addition, a Greco/Roman Wrestler has never had any fear of a Boxer, so maybe it would be better to learn that instead.
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there is more to boxing than their footwork-which is exceptional, btw. What I find to be most facinating, is boxing's evasive body movement. Duck, slip, bob and weave. I've seen boxers who've seemed cornered, evade and slip barrages of punches, and land their own blows.
Jab,cross,uppercut, hook, overhand-these are the basic angles of attack. When fighting toe to toe, the strikes are shortened up and the body is connected to generate power, by combining waist,pivoting of the stance, etc. All good. I don't think anyone can dissagree with that.
What I don't get is that how cme you don't see any of the long arm strikes thrown, such as sow, cup,gwa etc. (excluding aforementioned spinning backfist)
so is just a long hook, you see it all the time
cup/kahp is an overhand, you see it all the time
the fact no one bothers with a motion like kwa/gwa should maybe tell you something
Yes, they are Slippery S-o-b's, BUT once you can get them to bob, weave or slip, you can throw them easy too though. That type of motion is fantastic in a striking only enviroment, but it leavs them open for takedowns.
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So then why is footwork so different? Shaolin footwork is nothing like modern sport fight footwork. I understand how fencing influenced the "dominate side" stance in CMA. And some of the static stances are similar, but just the idea of staying on the balls of your feet, for example, is completly incorrect within the framework of Shaolin stepping.
the problem arises when people who don't have a strong wrist structure (like me) and will experience wrist buckling when throwing a boxer's hook, unless wearing tape and wraps. (I just throw more elbows) But the fist position of sow choy allows me to generate far more power than my hook. Different ranges, I know.
I guess the solution is throw the elbow rather than the hook, and train for self-defense, and recognize that some people will never become pro fighters.
Many years ago, my TSD teacher told me that I shouldn't do pro fighting, as my facial skin was thin and I used to get cut up alot.
so I chose to use other methods to kill my baincells