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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    I'm still waiting for his supporters here to answer how he can create $800 billion in new spending and cut taxes on 95% of Americans.

    And notice MK won't take a sig bet on it either.
    it must be some kind of new math, since about 15% of Americans do not currently pay tax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mas Judt View Post
    it must be some kind of new math, since about 15% of Americans do not currently pay tax.
    Are you sure that's not the number that files for and gets the "earned income tax credit"?
    (aka "free money".... aka "refunds" of taxes they never paid in the first place)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    Considering they didn't repeal the CRA and institute new regulations on lenders, it very well may happen again. Just like the airline industry...
    Please stop bringing up the CRA as evidence of the problem. I have seen no evidence that this is the case. Actually, I've presented evidence to the contrary. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    So he lied about that.

    "Sen. Barack Obama's campaign Monday tried to draw a parallel between Sen. John McCain's involvement in the nearly 2-decade-old "Keating Five" scandal and the current economic crisis."

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/...rap/index.html
    So, John McCain's involvement with Charles Keating isn't fair game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GLW View Post
    so a LITTLE disenfranchisement is OK?
    ........
    But all the small things add up.
    {snicker!}
    It's gonna take one heckuva lotta "little disenfranchisements" to offset
    20 EFFIN' MILLION MORE danged votes.


    Now, the illegal voting has been the war cry of the right...and so far, the investigations into it has come to not much... and the Justice Dept. doing the investigation is under the control of the GOP...and has been for 8 years.
    Could that be because any so-called "targeting" has roughly offset the
    numbers of illegals voting? (it's actually not even close)
    (chuckling while waiting for screeching/howling/apoplectic "reply")

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality_Check View Post
    So, John McCain's involvement with Charles Keating isn't fair game?
    oh, it's certainly fair game. Especially since it demonstrates the incredible capacity for lying for the sake of power among the demoncrats. He was exonerated and the DEMONCRATIC head of the commision apologized, saying he should not have been investigated like Demoncrats who were guilty.

    It might also bring uyp the fact that John McCain fought for tougher oversight on the Fannie/Freddie mess - but the Demoncratic party fought hard to silence him and prevent any oversight.

    NOW they tell us they are the ones we need to oversee things. HAH!

    They need to be treated like the pariahs they are.
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    The demoncrats are much more famous for fixing elections - heck even the New York Times - mouthpiece of the Demoncratic party declared Bush the winner in 2000- after launching their own investigation.

    The left just can't imagine that we don't want to be their slaves.

    Now if only we can retake the right and bring some liberty back to this mess...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mas Judt View Post
    oh, it's certainly fair game. Especially since it demonstrates the incredible capacity for lying for the sake of power among the demoncrats. He was exonerated and the DEMONCRATIC head of the commision apologized, saying he should not have been investigated like Demoncrats who were guilty.

    It might also bring uyp the fact that John McCain fought for tougher oversight on the Fannie/Freddie mess - but the Demoncratic party fought hard to silence him and prevent any oversight.
    Cute with the "demoncratic" hit there. Very mature and really supportive of your position.

    I don't recall ever reading that Howell Heflin apologized to John McCain. Could you please cite a source for that?

    "The appearance of it was wrong. It's a wrong appearance when a group of senators appear in a meeting with a group of regulators, because it conveys the impression of undue and improper influence. And it was the wrong thing to do."

    Regarding Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac:

    "In both appearances, McCain was referring to his 2006 decision to sign on to a Republican-led regulatory overhaul of the mortgage-financing firms, which both went through multibillion-dollar accounting scandals earlier in the decade. The occasion that prompted McCain’s involvement was the release of a 340-page report from the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight that concluded that Fannie Mae had manipulated earnings and violated basic accounting principles. It describes an “arrogant and unethical corporate culture” in which executives were more concerned about their bonuses than meeting the company’s housing mission.

    The findings, based on a 27-month investigation and resulting in a $400-million fine paid to the government, prompted McCain to join other critics and call for more scrutiny of Fannie and its sibling, Freddie Mac. “If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole,” McCain declared in a May 26, 2006, news release.

    So it’s true that McCain spoke out — after a widely read report drew attention to chicanery at the firms. But the implication in McCain's remarks is that his remarks in 2006 were in some way a warning about the financial markets disaster that struck in 2008. That strikes us as quite a stretch."

    The regulatory overhaul that John McCain signed on to was introduced a year earlier by Chuck Hagel. Where was John McCain then?

    "We give McCain some credit for weighing in on problems surrounding Fannie Mae, even though he got involved after a comprehensive government report issued a loud alarm to anyone watching. However, his attempts to depict those efforts as some sort of early warning that could have lessened the current credit crisis just don't wash. All McCain was talking about then was the potential fallout of accounting troubles in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. He didn't say anything about a freewheeling climate among creditors that had major financial institutions becoming badly leveraged on bad loans. We rule his claim Barely True."

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...e-and-freddie/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mas Judt View Post
    The demoncrats are much more famous for fixing elections - heck even the New York Times - mouthpiece of the Demoncratic party declared Bush the winner in 2000- after launching their own investigation.
    You mean like this?

    "A six-month investigation by The New York Times of this chapter in the closest presidential election in modern American history shows that the Republican effort had a decided impact. Under intense pressure from the Republicans, Florida officials accepted hundreds of overseas absentee ballots that failed to comply with state laws.

    In an analysis of the 2,490 ballots from Americans living abroad that were counted as legal votes after Election Day, The Times found 680 questionable votes. Although it is not known for whom the flawed ballots were cast, four out of five were accepted in counties carried by Mr. Bush, The Times found. Mr. Bush's final margin in the official total was 537 votes.

    The flawed votes included ballots without postmarks, ballots postmarked after the election, ballots without witness signatures, ballots mailed from towns and cities within the United States and even ballots from voters who voted twice. All would have been disqualified had the state's election laws been strictly enforced."

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...54c0a9679c8b63


    Quote Originally Posted by Mas Judt View Post
    The left just can't imagine that we don't want to be their slaves.
    Really? The left wants to enslave you? I find that really hard to believe. Could you post some evidence for that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality_Check View Post
    So, John McCain's involvement with Charles Keating isn't fair game?
    Obama said he was gonna stick to the issues and not sling mud. Those were his words, not mine.

    So, what else is he lying about on the campaign trail?
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

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    As to voter disenfranchising

    Are these Republicans?


    ACORN was sued on Friday [10/29/04] by two lawyers in Fort Lauderdale for disenfranchising 11 South Florida residents, one from Broward and 10 from Miami-Dade, by taking their completed voter registration forms and not turning them in.

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/A...rnbackgro.html
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    Obama said he was gonna stick to the issues and not sling mud. Those were his words, not mine.

    So, what else is he lying about on the campaign trail?
    I would argue that it is an issue. The last time we had a major banking/economic crisis in this country, John McCain was in the middle of it. On the wrong side. Now with the current crisis, and Senator McCain's arguably erratic behavior (fundamentals are strong, we're in a crisis, suspending his campaign, voting for bailout and then suggesting that President Bush should veto it, supporting deregulation and regulation at the same time) over the last two weeks, how he behaved in the past is relevant. Nor would it be a smear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bad65 View Post
    Obama said he was gonna stick to the issues and not sling mud. Those were his words, not mine.

    So, what else is he lying about on the campaign trail?
    Yep! Obama is a lying MFer!

    Just like the rest of us!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality_Check View Post
    I would argue that it is an issue. The last time we had a major banking/economic crisis in this country, John McCain was in the middle of it.
    McCain was cleared of any wrongdoing by a Democratic Congress.
    When given the choice between big business and big government, choose big business. Big business never threw millions of people into gas chambers, but big government did.

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