Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[BoulderDawg]

A) Bush jailed for crimes against humanity.
B) Cheney jailed for crimes against humanity.
C) Rumsfeld jailed for crimes against humanity.
D) Cancellation of bailout money for wall street.
E) Provision of support funding for struggling homeowners.
F) Nationalization of health care industry.
G) United States army out of Afghanistan and Iraq.
H) United States signing onto the international criminal court.

Sounds good but all of that will never happen with any Republicrat in office.

Especially the first three.....However if any of these gentleman happen to travel and be on foriegn soil then I guess anything could happen.

[BoulderDawg]

4.

Just kidding,

That's many more than I would have guess......I would guess it's a negative number.

[Mr Punch]

Because we all know 'spreading the wealth around' has nothing to do with socialism.

Is that the best you got? Really? That's ****ing pitiful if you're trying to pass that off as some attempt at political discourse.

Really?!?! Do you have proof of that? I recall earlier in the thread one of you guys said Pakistan was like Cambodia was in that we were secretely there fighting, yet when Ross asked for proof there was none presented.

You're pulling my plonker again aren't you?!

US bombs Pakistan 'for the third time in three months' Mar 16

US bombs Pakistan Jun 11

US bombs Pakistan... for good measure, here's one from 2003 which states it was the first time since the war in Afghanistan started more than a year before... in case you'd forgotten 2002 and 2003 were overseen by the Bush administration.

Just in case you needed one from back then:let's not skimp on 2002: US bombs Pakistan

And back to the present: US bombs Pakistan Mon Oct 27. The main piece in this article is alleged: the US didn't actually confirm their missile strike.

However:

Yesterday, the New York Times reported that the US military had abandoned the use of helicopter-carried commando raids across the border into Pakistan.

The decision followed a raid on September 3 in which more than 20 people, some of them civilians, were killed, sparking a furious response from the Pakistani government.

US commanders have instead increased the frequency of missile strikes. There have been at least 18 such attacks since the start of August compared with five during the rest of 2008, the New York Times said.

...we can see there were at least 23 attacks on Pakistan by the US this year.

So you've gotta be winding us up with this whole thing. Dunno, you could be stupid. I'll take bets.

[1bad65]

Yeah, people are not buying cars because of mortgage rates and companies are losing business because of higher operating costs because of mortgage rates...

The credit crunch is making it alot harder to buy things like cars unless you have a pretty high credit score and/or ALOT of money down.

I saw a story on Nightline (I think, but it was one of those types) a few days ago about how many dealerships are going under. A spokesman for the Association dealers belong to was saying how until recently you could get an average family in an average car easily with a 650 credit score, and most of the time with a 600. But now many banks are wanting a 700 to finance a new car.

And these are not just the people who signed these stupid ARMs. This is everyone. The only factor mortgage rates play on other businesses is that the idiots who signed the ARMs either have alot less money now or a foreclsure on their credit and thus are not able to purchase large ticket items like they could a few years ago.

[1bad65]

A) Bush jailed for crimes against humanity.
B) Cheney jailed for crimes against humanity.
C) Rumsfeld jailed for crimes against humanity.
D) Cancellation of bailout money for wall street.
E) Provision of support funding for struggling homeowners.
F) Nationalization of health care industry.
G) United States army out of Afghanistan and Iraq.
H) United States signing onto the international criminal court.

You're an absolute idiot. Thank God your a Canadian. Yeah, just giving up our rights as a sovereign nation would be a great idea.

[1bad65]

You're pulling my plonker again aren't you?!

In every one of those links the 'facts' are disputed and are ripe with 'allegations'. In your 3rd link the area bombed may not even be in Pakistan!

[1bad65]

I'm doing just fine. In the last 2 years both me and wife got brand new, very nice cars. Of course have not made retarded financial decisions. We don't owe tens of thousands on credit cards. We don't have an ARM mortgage.

If you just use some common sense and live within your means, you generally do just fine, even in tough times.

[MasterKiller]

I'm doing just fine. In the last 2 years both me and wife got brand new, very nice cars. Of course have not made retarded financial decisions. We don't owe tens of thousands on credit cards. We don't have an ARM mortgage.

If you just use some common sense and live within your means, you generally do just fine, even in tough times.

How's your 401(k) doing?

Good thing Social Security isn't privatized, huh?

[sanjuro_ronin]

The credit crunch is making it alot harder to buy things like cars unless you have a pretty high credit score and/or ALOT of money down.

I saw a story on Nightline (I think, but it was one of those types) a few days ago about how many dealerships are going under. A spokesman for the Association dealers belong to was saying how until recently you could get an average family in an average car easily with a 650 credit score, and most of the time with a 600. But now many banks are wanting a 700 to finance a new car.

And these are not just the people who signed these stupid ARMs. This is everyone. The only factor mortgage rates play on other businesses is that the idiots who signed the ARMs either have alot less money now or a foreclsure on their credit and thus are not able to purchase large ticket items like they could a few years ago.

I will give you that, but there are also a lot fewer people going out to buy cars too and the cost of doing business because of higher fuel costs also = losing business and decreased profits because of higher operating costs.

[Mr Punch]

In every one of those links the 'facts' are disputed and are ripe with 'allegations'. In your 3rd link the area bombed may not even be in Pakistan!

So in the least, you're saying we should take your word over the NY Times?

From the previous post:

Yesterday, the New York Times reported that the US military had abandoned the use of helicopter-carried commando raids across the border into Pakistan.

The decision followed a raid on September 3 in which more than 20 people, some of them civilians, were killed, sparking a furious response from the Pakistani government.

US commanders have instead increased the frequency of missile strikes. There have been at least 18 such attacks since the start of August compared with five during the rest of 2008, the New York Times said.

Quoted here

President George W. Bush secretly approved orders in July that for the first time allow US special forces to carry out ground assaults inside Pakistan without the approval of the Pakistani government, The New York Times reported on Thursday.

Rather optimistic, given your definition of socialism as 'spreading the wealth around...' I give up. You're an idiot. You're wasting my time.

[SimonM]

don't forget repealing the patriot act

Yeah, that too.

You're an absolute idiot. Thank God your a Canadian. Yeah, just giving up our rights as a sovereign nation would be a great idea.

You have already done that with multilateral trade agreements! Just not in a realm that could control your out-of-control army.

Oh and Mr. I-Can't-participate-in-political-discourse-without-resorting-to-petty-name-calling, you still haven't even tried to respond to my statements about the flight of capital that is caused by the combination of multilateral trade agreements and irresponsible trickle down economics.

[sanjuro_ronin]

You have already done that with multilateral trade agreements! Just not in a realm that could control your out-of-control army.

The US army is not out-of-control, it is a highly disciplined and well trained army, don't blame the soldiers for the policies they have to "defend".

[1bad65]

How's your 401(k) doing?

Good thing Social Security isn't privatized, huh?

It took a hit, but it's doing ok in the big picture.

I wish to hell it was privatized. Even liberals admit Social Security is gonna go belly up, it's just an argument over when. All Ponzi schemes eventually implode.

[1bad65]

So in the least, you're saying we should take your word over the NY Times?

I was referring to this link:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003...an.afghanistan

From that article:

"Conservative Pakistani politicians condemned the United States yesterday after an exchange of fire on the Afghan border culminated in the US bombing of an abandoned religious school which local officials claim is in Pakistan.

Major Steve Clutter, a US spokesman at Bagram military base, near Kabul, said the incident occurred in the "grey area" along the Durand Line, a border drawn by the British in the 19th century. Later, a spokesman for US central command, Major Bill Harrison, said the entire incident had taken place in Afghanistan."

[1bad65]

Oh and Mr. I-Can't-participate-in-political-discourse-without-resorting-to-petty-name-calling, you still haven't even tried to respond to my statements about the flight of capital that is caused by the combination of multilateral trade agreements and irresponsible trickle down economics.

I actually provided Bereau of Census figures showing supply-side economics worked big time in the 1980s.

If having upward economic mobility and creating more salaries in the upper tax brackets is irresponsible, then I guess it's irresponsible.