double daggers

[Oso]

it's not that they weren't a very close reproduction...i don't like the design at all. just my opinion...didn't say 'they suck', just that I didn't like.

i only somewhat vicariously know the first part of a double dagger kung fu set (the same one yu and yao are talking about) most of my knife is of the philipine and japanese persuasion...i prefer a single edge vs. double edge

[mickey]

Greetings,

Whoever wrote the item description of the Shanghai Shadow was on point about the use of the ring. I am familiar with one tradition that still maintains that usage and they were based in Shanghai before WWII. The only reservation I have with the knife is the shape of the blade. It should look more like the Fairborne knife, designed to attack organs.

The uses for the ring does not exist in every tradition; but, it does not mean it is extinct.


mickey

[Reverend Tap]

Greetings,
Whoever wrote the item description of the Shanghai Shadow was on point about the use of the ring. I am familiar with one tradition that still maintains that usage and they were based in Shanghai before WWII.

It can be pivoted around the index finger for a quick change from a forward to a reverse grip.

How's that work? The only way I can think of is by holding the knife with the index finger only when using a forward grip, which doesn't strike me as exceptionally secure.

[Reverend Tap]

Looks like you can also get the CS ones with a cord wrap in place of the poly handle, like so.

Cheaper, looks more comfy, and might even help the two to lay flatter against one another.

I'm rather curious to know how well, if at all, they function as throwers, too. A twofer-deal on a knife made by such a good brand would be a nice find.

[mickey]

Hi Reverend Tap,

My commentary was strictly about the use of the ring. Now, the accuracy of the technique involved in using the ring is another thing. You have three more fingers. Try to find out for yourself. No disrespect meant--its that self learning can be fun.


mickey

[Oso]

a while back...heh, 11 or 12 years now, I bought the CS Black Bear fighter...with the sub-hilt and live edge on the back side...really the worst decision ever in a knife but I was younger and dumber...I happened to buy it from a friend of mine who was a shihan in a kempo style and picked it up the weekend of a knife seminar by the soke of the same group...the first thing the soke said when I was admiring and playing with my new toy was "Wow, that's really convenient of you to give me something to break your finger with when i take that away from you" ...in his quiet unassuming, bespeckled pharmacist voice as he walked away.

By the end of the weekend, i decided that sub-hilts, rings and other 'accesories' are kinda pointless...a good basic design with a non-slip grip that is comfortable in your hand is all you need.

[Reverend Tap]

I'll agree with you regarding sub-hilts. The rings on the daggers in question, though, I still find myself liking, in part because, though they could indeed pose a hazard to an inserted finger against someone good at disarming, they do grant some extra maneuverability with the knife and aren't mandatory to use at all times, both unlike the sub-hilt.

[Oso]

agreed. you're right, you wouldn't have to use the ring.

[Reverend Tap]

Of course, in a real combat situation, it'd most likely be this I'd be using anyway, since that's what I usually carry around.

[Oso]

the only thing I carry 'on' me regularly is a Leatherman...oh, and one of these

dont' bring a knife to a gun fight


however, I have one of these in the car, the 12" model

http://www.coldsteel.com/saxmachetes.html

and one of these in the work van, the 18" model

http://www.coldsteel.com/bowiemachetes.html

I also have plane old 440B cheap, all metal handle, tanto in the car as well as a pair of 24" ash sticks.


hmmm, maybe I'm a little 'overkill'...naahhhh, that's just about right, I can meet different levels of force with increasing levels of respons.

[yu shan]

Dang Oso, what are you armed to the teeth for in that hippy town of yours? I thought most of the locals carried herb and djembes!

[Oso]

http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage

no, it's not NYC or anything but we're not crime free.

but, it just sounded like I carry a lot, hell, I have to make myself remember to carry the pistol most days

[Reverend Tap]

Wow, well-armed indeed.

I'm curious about the sax machete. How does having the blade on the "spine" like that affect the use? I quite like drop-point blades, kukris and such, but never seen one like that before.

And while I may at some point buy a firearm of some form, I figure just staying out of gunfights is an even better option.

[yu shan]

Oso, one look at your bad a$$ self and Mr. bad guy hauls it. But then again you were challenged in a friggen pizza parlor!

[Oso]

Wow, well-armed indeed.

i don't really think about it that way...prepared...I also keep extra food and water in the car most of the time...i don't quite have a 'go to hell bag' but almost.

I'm curious about the sax machete. How does having the blade on the "spine" like that affect the use? I quite like drop-point blades, kukris and such, but never seen one like that before.

well, it opens boxes real handy like...it's a euro design from way back...'retro euro'

but, it seems like there is not a lot known about it...I picked it up cheap at a gun show and intend on picking up all of the CS machete variants...a cheap way to pick up some basic examples of different cultures swords/knives

And while I may at some point buy a firearm of some form, I figure just staying out of gunfights is an even better option.

me too...but, you're counting on it always being an option...just like saying 'i'll never have a flat tire'