No :d.....
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
No :d.....
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
sanjuro,
i don't box with my feet, so i don't kick box
but you are still speaking about usage from the standpoint of forms. They overkill in their forms, but that trains that killer mentality. I don't see too many schools that use that OVERKILL strikes like found in kajukenbo. period.
when we speak of launching a barrage of techniques, as in CLF, what do think we are doing? something from our forms?
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Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
GM of Hadaka Korosu
LMAO !Originally Posted by hskwarrior
sanjuro,
i don't box with my feet, so i don't kick box
Can't argue with that.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
Glorified TCMAist
The kenpo philosophy of "overkill is just enough" trains the practitioner to throw multiple strikes, each one flowing into the other, each action creating a reaction in the body, as well as setting up the next strike(both in the attacker's body and the 'loading' of the kenpo practitioner's) This does not mean that you will throw all these strikes. You can stop at one, if one is all it takes.But, it does give the ability to continue without pause during that,what if stage, or as I call it, the "OSS"-"Oh S*** Scenerio."
The problem is, the kenpo practitioner should be always checking, controlling, trapping, the attacker while doing this, rather than having him stand there with his fist out, while he does his dance of death.
I see this occurring more with the Villari "Shaolin Kempo" and their offshoots, rather than the Ralph Castro/Ed Parker/Tracy/Emperado Kenpo/Kajukenbo styles, that make more hands on use of the live hand.
"My Gung-Fu may not be Your Gung-Fu.
Gwok-Si, Gwok-Faht"
"I will not be part of the generation
that killed Kung-Fu."
....step.
Glorified TCMAist
anyone have any vid footage of Steve Sanders, aka Steve Mohammed? He was one of the few kenpo fighters that they said you could see his kenpo in his fighting.
"My Gung-Fu may not be Your Gung-Fu.
Gwok-Si, Gwok-Faht"
"I will not be part of the generation
that killed Kung-Fu."
....step.
GM of Hadaka Korosu
The problem is that, in a real fight, people hit back and that, to compromise the structure of someone you have to hit them, VERY HARD, and in the right palces, and on a moving target.
And that just doesn't work when trained the way they do.
Look at all the kenpo clips and kajukenbo clips on youtube, what do you see in the full contact ones ( when you can find them)?
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
GM of Hadaka Korosu
Saw some of his tournament clips, those don't count, it wasn't full contact.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
sanjuro,
are you saying that since it was semi-contact, although it did well that way, that it wouldn't be effective in FULL CONTACT?
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
GM of Hadaka Korosu
"Speed based" techniques work great in tournaments, since you don't have to, nor are allowed, to KO the other person.
Not that Steve couldn't he was very, very good.
Just that those "whippy hands" are better suited for point tournaments than for full contact.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
really. OK.
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
Glorified TCMAist
tis sad but true. It is extrememly difficult to strike fast, say with a quick backfist or jab,and have real power behind it. Dempsey put alot of time into developing the stiff jolt and drop-step lead aka Bruce Lee's straight blast.
One of the hardest things in SPM is developing that lightning speed, backed with power. Too many people are just quick and whippy. (looks easy, but in actual practice, it is extremely difficult to master)
"My Gung-Fu may not be Your Gung-Fu.
Gwok-Si, Gwok-Faht"
"I will not be part of the generation
that killed Kung-Fu."
....step.
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
wow, this thread really got hijacked! Please, don't blow us up! i have a lion dance tomorrow
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
anyways, i'm confused to what you refer to as whippy?
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
攻裏有防 , 防裏有攻
Can we not derail this thread to Kempo/Kajukenpo and get back to CLF?
All non-CLF threads eventually turn into a CLF history/lineage war.
CLF threads turn into Kempo threads.
WTF?
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It is bias to think that the art of war is just for killing people. It is not to kill people, it is to kill evil. It is a strategem to give life to many people by killing the evil of one person.
- Yagyū Munenori
Glorified TCMAist
WTF as opposed to ATF? I think Sanjuro knows more about this. I practiced Ji Do Kwan, not sure if it is WTF or ATF. In fact, I don't think they even existed in the early-mid seventies.
"My Gung-Fu may not be Your Gung-Fu.
Gwok-Si, Gwok-Faht"
"I will not be part of the generation
that killed Kung-Fu."
....step.
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