Groundwork!!! We don't need no steenkin groundwork!
Groundwork!!! We don't need no steenkin groundwork!
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Thanks for the explanation.
As for myself, I do have a personal trainer with an extensive background and have incorporated it, and such, very happy with what we've got.
But, I was curious though of what a lot of Kung-Fu schools are doing in regards to it. I know that it was met with some resistance awhile back, but it seems more and more accepted...but how much?
The 10 Elements of Choy Lay Fut:
Kum, Na, Gwa, Sau, Chop, Pow, Kup, Biu, Ding, Jong
The 13 Principles of Taijiquan:
Ward Off, Roll Back, Press, Push, Pluck, Elbow, Shoulder, Split, Forward, Back, Left, Right, Central Equilibrium
And it doesn't hurt to practice stuff from:
Mounts, Guards, and Side Mounts!
Austin Kung-Fu Academy
The 10 Elements of Choy Lay Fut:
Kum, Na, Gwa, Sau, Chop, Pow, Kup, Biu, Ding, Jong
The 13 Principles of Taijiquan:
Ward Off, Roll Back, Press, Push, Pluck, Elbow, Shoulder, Split, Forward, Back, Left, Right, Central Equilibrium
And it doesn't hurt to practice stuff from:
Mounts, Guards, and Side Mounts!
Austin Kung-Fu Academy
Yes we do.
Long Fist includes shiua chiao and chin na. Now granted its not as specialized as BJJ, but its ground fighting nevertheless. Its pretty much staying true to the style.
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The 10 Elements of Choy Lay Fut:
Kum, Na, Gwa, Sau, Chop, Pow, Kup, Biu, Ding, Jong
The 13 Principles of Taijiquan:
Ward Off, Roll Back, Press, Push, Pluck, Elbow, Shoulder, Split, Forward, Back, Left, Right, Central Equilibrium
And it doesn't hurt to practice stuff from:
Mounts, Guards, and Side Mounts!
Austin Kung-Fu Academy
Most Kung-Fu's (if you will) have Seut and Lah. And it's the specialization that I'm getting at. There are much more effective ways to get the Kam Lah techs on the ground these days, and in fact, curriculums designed to methodically learn it.
Does it get incorporated within LF schools, or is the groundfighting that the LF schools do considered "it", and if you want to learn more about it, go study BJJ?
The 10 Elements of Choy Lay Fut:
Kum, Na, Gwa, Sau, Chop, Pow, Kup, Biu, Ding, Jong
The 13 Principles of Taijiquan:
Ward Off, Roll Back, Press, Push, Pluck, Elbow, Shoulder, Split, Forward, Back, Left, Right, Central Equilibrium
And it doesn't hurt to practice stuff from:
Mounts, Guards, and Side Mounts!
Austin Kung-Fu Academy
The 10 Elements of Choy Lay Fut:
Kum, Na, Gwa, Sau, Chop, Pow, Kup, Biu, Ding, Jong
The 13 Principles of Taijiquan:
Ward Off, Roll Back, Press, Push, Pluck, Elbow, Shoulder, Split, Forward, Back, Left, Right, Central Equilibrium
And it doesn't hurt to practice stuff from:
Mounts, Guards, and Side Mounts!
Austin Kung-Fu Academy
When I trained in Wing Chun we would chi sau or spar often times all the way to the ground and then fight on the ground or our ways out of the ground. Granted my sifu did have some judo experience prior to his learning Wing Chun himself he would soetimes throw in an armn lock or two in the ground but these arm locks were also worked in on stand up or atleast a variation. Was this from pure kung-fu?? Who knows but it made things complete and showed us how to keep fighting from the ground which made for a solid self defense system.
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some kung fu people don't want to do bjj. most bjj people don't want to do kung fu. so he keeps them separate. also he offers discount if they want to do both. it is also a business so.
i used to think, oh i will use my chin na on the ground.
doesn't work like that. well you can adapt it, but have to be very good. your leverage and positioning goes to sh*t when you are flat on your back and in a half guard/guard/side mount.
i took a couple seminars (about 6 hours total) with my instructor and learned some basics. I respect BJJ for what it is and does, but I don't like it. I have rolled with bjj guys to. Heck I know the owners of NAGA and MMA.TV
Cool. Yeah, I'm not even worried about the pure Kung-Fu aspect of it. Again, Kung-Fu means skill. And it looks like you guys trained to work from the ground, ie, a skill.
BTW, you're the second person who said "When I trained in Wing Chun..."
Just thought that was interesting.
The 10 Elements of Choy Lay Fut:
Kum, Na, Gwa, Sau, Chop, Pow, Kup, Biu, Ding, Jong
The 13 Principles of Taijiquan:
Ward Off, Roll Back, Press, Push, Pluck, Elbow, Shoulder, Split, Forward, Back, Left, Right, Central Equilibrium
And it doesn't hurt to practice stuff from:
Mounts, Guards, and Side Mounts!
Austin Kung-Fu Academy
The 10 Elements of Choy Lay Fut:
Kum, Na, Gwa, Sau, Chop, Pow, Kup, Biu, Ding, Jong
The 13 Principles of Taijiquan:
Ward Off, Roll Back, Press, Push, Pluck, Elbow, Shoulder, Split, Forward, Back, Left, Right, Central Equilibrium
And it doesn't hurt to practice stuff from:
Mounts, Guards, and Side Mounts!
Austin Kung-Fu Academy
Sounds like the teacher I used to train with.Things would seemingly appear out of thin air with no explanation.He taught us bjj,but it was called "groundfighting" to make it appear as if we were still doing cma.You like I assumed it was a part of what we were doing.I was wrong.
I learn CMA to learn a standup art focused on strikes and pounding people with . . . strikes.
If I wanted to learn grappling I would go take BJJ or Sambo.
If I want to learn MMA I would join a MMA gym.
If I want to learn boxing I would join a boxing gym.
I want to learn CLF so I joined a CLF gym.
Why are all CMA guys incorporating BJJ into their curriculum?
Are you training for an MMA competition?
If for self defense, basic sweeps/throws, and learning how to mount/sweep from the guard is good enough to get out.
Why drill the BJJ intensively if you're never gonna use it. That's what I'm confused about.
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