Hello Old8,
It's interesting that you mention that. My teacher, Tony Puyot, taught me Shyun's grappling material back in 93-94. This past month, we've been reviewing the material and found it interesting that he taught the techniques as "fighting combinations" = Strike + throw + submit...but the postural orientation of the submission was still either on our feet or on a knee, rather than positional control as in BJJ.
It's nowhere near the evolved state of groundfighting today. Regardless of where he got it from, I feel it was a decent primer for the transition to learning BJJ.
M.Dasargo
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To the mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders.
-Patanjali Samadhi
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~ Bodhi
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This is a good question. I think that its becoming increasingly apparent that ground fighting is an essential part of self-defense, alongside stand-up fighting and weapons training.
I've attended and organized seminars where practitioners of the Chinese (and non-Chinese) martial arts have learned and taught ground techniques. The most recent occasion where we did this was last year, when a practitioner of Chi Tao Chuan, who also has a wrestling background, taught a session on ground fighting. There was another session where a practitioner of VSK Ju Jitsu taught some ground fighting. I've done some MMA training also, as such I incorporate some basic ground defense in my training.
Overall, the CM artists at these sessions were amenable to the idea. Most of us (my martial arts community) believe that our technique has to evolve in order to be maximally effective. Dogma will never dictate the exigencies of combat.
Last edited by Askari Hodari; 02-28-2009 at 05:42 PM.
Stop posting and start training.