hi 18elders,

on joe mantis' question -- I don't know anyone who has learned the 4th part of lok low, either. Master Chan taught the 1st part in a seminar last spring, a couple of more advanced students know the 2nd part.

Elephant trunk mantis hand -- is the fifth exercise in the curriculum (not the fifth form). It's a drill to teach beginners how to shape and use the mantis hook. The "elephant trunk" (correct me if I'm wrong, folks) describes the motion your arm makes during the drill. A little hard to put into words.

BTW, good discussion, everyone.

SamM