I remember working with a guy on knife defenses. He was an assistant instructor for wolfe's system of self-defense and bjj grappler. They worked a lot on knife defenses so I asked him to show me with me being the assailant, using a fake blade prop.
His strategy was controling the arm/weapon and his next strategy was taking me down to isolate the weapon
In either cases, he was slice everwhere - neck, throat, ribs, thighs, wrist and stabbed too. It would take him around 5 minutes before he could isolate the weapon. It was an ugly situation and a wake up call for both of us.
I have no knife fighting experience so its not like I knew how to slice him.
We also did some sparring. Like I said he was assistant instructor and I was student grade 5 (based onWT structure). Learned a lot - grappling and takedowns are pretty effective, but there were glimpses of light there on how to use wt to neutralize it. Great session all in all
Come to think of it - he was a really nice guy. Kinda hard to find such guys to train with without egos getting in the way.
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No I said as soon as the arm (and especially the elbow) is away from the body is when a grappler would move, not when the arm is fully extended.
Your arm can be too high because you are defending against my strikes and I’ll move, your arm can be slightly out of place defensivly and I’ll move, they can be coming back after throwing a combination and I’ll move, I am not waiting for them to be straight or extended or waiting until they have missed their target.
This is so true I spent years training knife defences in my traditional school, I got very good at it (or so I thought) then a few of us got together to train realistically after class and to say the least it was an eye opener.
The first thing that was noticeable was that a few of the really senior students couldn’t attack properly with the knife, we were so conditioned to leaving the knife out there for our opponent to do the disarm that we continued to do this for quite a while. The second thing we noticed was once we got over this bad habit we got cut, an awful lot, so much so that all of us started to really question our training and the usefulness of doing any weapons defence training.
We also noticed when going full out that you hit grappling range very quickly with a knife and you had better know how to grapple standing and on the ground to have a hope in hells change of surviving.
These days I do virtually no weapons defence training, just MMA and grappling but on the odd occasion I do pull the training blade out I am reminded how dangerous weapons are and how grateful I am that I can now grapple a little bit.
Last edited by Frost; 09-01-2009 at 06:34 AM.
the problem traditional schools knife defense is the techniques were orginally intended to be used against a sword not a knife
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No my schools knife defence came from a treacher who had actually defended himself against a knife, the problem is that what might have worked for him might not work for anyome else especially if you don't train them in an alive enviroment (oh lord now i sound like matt thornton).
What starts out as his way of defending himself becomes over time in a dead system THE way to defend against that attack, there is little if no room for free thought so it becomes regimented, rigid and useless.