Originally Posted by
Iron Palm
Hello all,
I don't understand how Grandmaster Ie would have picked up this form, given some cursory research I have performed.
It just doesn't seem plausible that GMT got this form from GM Ie.
How did this form come to be in the SD curriculum? Do those of you with more experience have any light to shed on this issue?
When did GMT begin teaching this form? I recall reading very early on in this thread the contention over the 24-combined form and its history, and I believe someone stated GMT learned 24 from a friend(?) in Indonesia and wanted to teach it because of its popularity. Is the situation with CMC Yang the same?
I believe this was asked at least once before on this thread. If anyone knows the
answer, they aren't telling. There are folks who know when he first started teaching it, but no one has said where or from whom he learned it.
I also wonder how the more modern forms, like CMC yang style short form and Jiang Rong Qiao's original bagua form, got into the system. I also would like to know just what branch of hsing i we have, and what it's lineage is. I don't think we'll ever get the answers. GMT is probably the only one who knows, and I imagine anyone who has access to him isn't going to ask such questions.
The impression I've been given of the general attitude towards training back in the early days of Gm The's teaching is that most students didn't care about the details of what they were learning, like what it was called or where it came from, they were really all about training hard and fighting. Few people asked questions, and information was rarely offered up. Knowledge was not preserved by the first generation of students in the US, so there isn't anything to pass down to the later students. At this point, I think most people still in the system feel it would be rude to ask for information from GM The that he didn't choose to give up front.
That's an optimistic point of view, in my opinion, that GM The would have freely given information about where and from whom the forms came, and we'd have a more detailed history now, if his first students had just been more interested in asking and learning those things. Maybe it would just take someone with access to GM The to ask if they can interview him about the historic details of the various forms, and the teaching that took place at the Bandung school, for posterity's sake. This would put to rest many questions people have about the system and their training. Is this going to happen? I don't think so.
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