dude takes on 3 guys

[Sihing73]

Hello Water Dragon,

I did Judo many years ago under a guy named Lou Moyerman. I enjoyed it very much. Although when I did compete I usually got into trouble as I liked to throw someone and then step back so they could get up, I hated the ground. I did find that the Judges did not let that last very long and I was forced to do groundwork if I wanted to win. Still I never really liked the ground game.

I would agree with almost all of your post. It is always a good idea to be versatile and well rounded, again you need a solid foundation of something to build on first. It really comes down to why you are training and what type of opponent you are likely to face. Someone in a tropical climate would likely face a different situation than someone in an artic area. Thus, each would have a different focus as both environment and clothing would come into play.

The only thing I would be cautious about is the idea of having 30 seconds or more in a real fight to accomplish a specific goal. I mean 30 seconds can be a lifetime in some situations.

All the best.

[karateguy]

that was awesome, that guy did need some training.. He threw too many punches in my opinion.. but it worked..

[Water Dragon]

Originally Posted by Sihing73

The only thing I would be cautious about is the idea of having 30 seconds or more in a real fight to accomplish a specific goal. I mean 30 seconds can be a lifetime in some situations.

Again, I don't disagree, there are many situations where you only have a split second to react. Those situations mainly involve weapons. There are also many situations where a quick juji gatame is the best option. There are also many situation where you and/or the opponent could slip and fall, especially if you visit bars or Chicago in the winter.

The answer is you train for all of it. Unless your the thug, you don't get to pick the conditions you fight under.

[Frost]

Originally Posted by Water Dragon

The answer is you train for all of it. Unless your the thug, you don't get to pick the conditions you fight under.

I can’t see why people don’t get this very simple point, train for it all as water dragon said because when it happens you might end up on the ground, in the clinch or just standing and trading and you might not get a say in where it happens.

Whether you live in a hot place, a cold place, the jungle or the city those three things are all likely to happen, so why not train them all with the best people you can find? its not a case of you not wanting to go to the ground it simply might happen.

[Frost]

Originally Posted by Sihing73

Having said that my position has always been that if you have the time, money and inclination to train various arts then you should do so, PROVIDING YOU HAVE A SOLID FOUNDATION IN YOU BASE ART. If you do not have the time, money or inclination then you are better off spending you time learning in and training your primary art, whatever that may be.

I have always thought this was an ass backward approach to training, why specialise and get a solid foundation first and then branch out? In virtually all other aspects of life, you start of general and then specialise over time.

Be it academic studies or athletic endeavour you normally start of with a broad focus and over time narrow your focus and specify, why should MA be any different? At the very least you will avoid specialising in something that after a few years you come to realise is not what you really want to do anyway

And I think its every more important to start of this way if your goal is self defense, Spend a year or two learning the basics of stand up, clinch and ground, with and without weapons, and then if all you want to do is train a art that specialises in one area then go for it, you will have some ability in all areas and a lot more confidence that you have chosen the right area and art for you

[Sihing73]

Originally Posted by Frost

I have always thought this was an ass backward approach to training, why specialise and get a solid foundation first and then branch out? In virtually all other aspects of life, you start of general and then specialise over time.

Be it academic studies or athletic endeavour you normally start of with a broad focus and over time narrow your focus and specify, why should MA be any different? At the very least you will avoid specialising in something that after a few years you come to realise is not what you really want to do anyway

And I think its every more important to start of this way if your goal is self defense, Spend a year or two learning the basics of stand up, clinch and ground, with and without weapons, and then if all you want to do is train a art that specialises in one area then go for it, you will have some ability in all areas and a lot more confidence that you have chosen the right area and art for you

Hi Frost,

You are welcome to your POV. However, in many systems you need to develope a firm foundation in order to be able to apply at a higher level. Besides, if you learn a traditional art you will find that as you progress you do pick an area to specialize. Perhaps you will train a particular weapon and make that your favorite.

The understanding of the system you opt to train is is your BROAD FOUNDATION and it is this FOUNDATION on which you build. Consider mathematics as an example. You learn by getting the basics and then you build upon those to expand your knowledge and go deeper. Imagine the result if you did not master the basics first, but instead did just a little Addition, Subtraction and then went right into Geometry or Calculass.

In most cases without a foundation to build upon you will not grasp the more intricate details of anything be it Martial Arts or life itself. Besides, just as academia trains one to think and process information, not really about the subject per se but how to utilize the mind, understanding a system first will allow one to better grasps the concepts of other and more varied systems.

But, hey for myself I love those guys who try to learn everything without first developing a foundation in something, they are so much more fun to play with

[Hardwork108]

Originally Posted by Cappadonna

i know how much you guys love street fight vids.

check this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=617m4...eature=related

Thanks for the great video and it was good to see the thugs getting what they deserved. :-)

[Hardwork108]

Originally Posted by LSWCTN1

its ALL mental attitude. doesnt matter how good your chisau (or any other drill for that matter) is - if you aint got the courage to enter and really bang then you might as well run.

same as someone with high level skill - if they havent got the attiutude to keep going when they do take a knock then they're going to give in.

i honestly think this is why people always compare themselves to boxers - boxing attracts people who already have a fighting, rough and tumble, attitude. therefore they are more likely to get in and bang. doesnt necessarily make the art a 'better' one - just better practitioners

100% true. Too many tradiional martial arts training programs teach everything but courage or what in TCMA terms would be called INTENT. That is where most of the problem lies when it comes to TCMA training. Of course, the other problem is that most of the so called sifus seem to only have a vague familiarity with the art that they are meant to be teaching, but then this (Mc dojo phenomenom) is a familiar theme and this thread is not about that.

I would add that the answer is not necessarily to put two people in a ring all the time so that they can cause each other brain damage either. A gradual and intelligent build up to hard sparring and other spirit building exercises would be the way to go IMHO.

Of course, there are guy who are born with a warrior mentality and the guy in the video may have been one these people.

[Vankuen]

Nice. It's always good to see punks getting what they deserve.