What do you think?

[goju]

You've never seen Ip Man the movie have you?

lol

[goju]

When I hear people say they tried this or that against "boxers" or "wrestlers", I gather what they typically mean is that they did it against someone with a bit of boxing or wrestling in their background, and that they did it at lower intensity levels. What I am talking about is doing these things against competent fighters, guys with solid skills and when you are really going at it. When competent fighters see you reach, they begin to salivate.

thats funny because you mention the same thing

what competant proven fighters did you pressure test with terrence? name them

tell us so we can compare with you

[goju]

sorry i took to mean you thought all ground fighting styles had equal merit, i agree that their is merit in all grappling styles, including sambo and shoot, but they were not created equally and that to be sucessful in todays MMA world you need to train/cross train more in BJJ (GI or no GI) than you need to train in sambo or shoot (unless you are a freak like Fedor or Sak in which case do as you like)

doesnt that just prove that you dont need to train it more?

i mean come on calling some one a freak as an excuse for them winning with out gjj is pretty dumb

[t_niehoff]

thats funny because you mention the same thing

what competant proven fighters did you pressure test with terrence? name them

tell us so we can compare with you

All you have to do is find a good MMA or boxing or MT gym to find competent fighters. Do you want a list of all the places I've trained over the years? As I have said repeatedly:

And it has nothing to do with me or my abilities or my understanding. It has to do with how YOU train or don't train. If you do realistic (alive) training (which is at its core realistic sparring) ,AND you do that training with good, proven fighters, you will see what I am saying is true. It's not how good you are or how great your understanding, just how training in a certain way exposes you to reality -- and that if you don't train that way, it is very, very easy to fool yourself.

All it takes is a short time with some good boxers/strikers or wreslters to see that you don't want to reach for punches. That's why good boxers, strikers, and MMA people don't reach for punches.

[t_niehoff]

doesnt that just prove that you dont need to train it more?

i mean come on calling some one a freak as an excuse for them winning with out gjj is pretty dumb

It's not a matter of just training the same things more, there are elements that BJJ has, for example, that other grappling methods haven't developed to the same level. And there are things in wrestling or sambo that BJJ hasn't developed to the same level. That's why MMA guys cross-train.

[goju]

All you have to do is find a good MMA or boxing or MT gym to find competent fighters. Do you want a list of all the places I've trained over the years? As I have said repeatedly:

And it has nothing to do with me or my abilities or my understanding. It has to do with how YOU train or don't train. If you do realistic (alive) training (which is at its core realistic sparring) ,AND you do that training with good, proven fighters, you will see what I am saying is true. It's not how good you are or how great your understanding, just how training in a certain way exposes you to reality -- and that if you don't train that way, it is very, very easy to fool yourself.

All it takes is a short time with some good boxers/strikers or wreslters to see that you don't want to reach for punches. That's why good boxers, strikers, and MMA people don't reach for punches.

yes what proven fighters id like their names that you mixed it up with

and im sure these are above amateur level competitors as well?

[sanjuro_ronin]

doesnt that just prove that you dont need to train it more?

i mean come on calling some one a freak as an excuse for them winning with out gjj is pretty dumb

How many shoot and sambo guys are tearing up MMA right now?

[goju]

It's not a matter of just training the same things more, there are elements that BJJ has, for example, that other grappling methods haven't developed to the same level. And there are things in wrestling or sambo that BJJ hasn't developed to the same level. That's why MMA guys cross-train.

the question was for frost and you did a bad job answering it bud

[sanjuro_ronin]

re: "reaching"

Why reach for something that is coming to you anyways ?

[goju]

How many shoot and sambo guys are tearing up MMA right now?

have no clue

outside of a few figthers i like to watch i dont follow mma closely

[sanjuro_ronin]

have no clue

outside of a few figthers i like to watch i dont follow mma closely

None.
Probably, I don't follow MMA either !
LOL !

[t_niehoff]

yes what proven fighters id like their names that you mixed it up with

and im sure these are above amateur level competitors as well?

When you go train at a good MMA school, you will spar with all level of people, from pro to amatuer to recreational guys. I've sparred with Saulo (in BJJ) and Karo (in MMA) at seminars, I've sparred with Vaghi's MMA team guys, with Berger, at Finney's, etc.. This is nothing special -- everyone who goes to a decent MMA school will do the same.

[goju]

ill have to ask my grandmother about sambo guys in mma next time i run into her she follows the sport religiously lol

[Ultimatewingchun]

"Here you are reaching for your opponent's punch"....(Niehoff)


***AND THE REACHING IS MINIMAL.


You're a bad joke who tries to bring other people down to his level; ie.- "If I can't do they they can't do it."

That's not the way of the world, my friend. If you can't use a block like you saw in that vid it's because you s u c k - and not because it doesn't work.

[t_niehoff]

"Here you are reaching for your opponent's punch"....(Niehoff)


***AND THE REACHING IS MINIMAL.


You're a bad joke who tries to bring other people down to his level; ie.- "If I can't do they they can't do it."

That's not the way of the world, my friend. If you can't use a block like you saw in that vid it's because you s u c k - and not because it doesn't work.

Look at 30 seconds into your video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1d1OyedoDE

your reaching hand is extended almost fully. An inch or two in front of you is "minimal", not 80% extended!