awesome, the likeness is uncanny. have you been stalking me?hhahahahahahahahahahOriginally Posted by hskwarrior
Yeah i can do that
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awesome, the likeness is uncanny. have you been stalking me?hhahahahahahahahahahYeah i can do that
NIII
Word. You are helping make my point. There is enough sheep to keep fake shepherds busy and lead them over a cliff. Doesn't make them smart, it makes them opportunistic. They prey on the weak, and that, quite simply, is not a very difficult task. I have no doubt I could do what he did. None what so ever. He may have been a natural leader and nutcase to boot, but admirable? Not in any way shape or form. Not to me anyways. Your other two examples (Hitler Ghandi), now that is an admirable display of manipulation. Convincing people to let themselves get beaten to make a point or convincing others to commit genocide, now that is an accomplishment worth speaking of. All morals aside, both examples are extraordinary. They only thing about Jim Jones that was extraordinary was his willingness to do harm for his own deluded purposes. Most people who could do that don't do that because to them it is utterly contemptible. Jim Jones was extraordinary in that he seemed to be okay with what he was doing. That is all.
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I've asked for, searched for, but never found or been shown, books or video for a lot of the SD material, such as Liu Hsing (Meteor Fist), the Golden Leopards, the 8 Drunken Immortals, and others. Good or bad, that's a lot of material and a lot of detail, for just one person to just suddenly "make up."
And there are more than a few, lifetime devotees to SD, that can kick some serious butt, and also have amazing chi kung skills. Did all that come from nothing but "made up" copied stuff? If so, I wouldn't mind having more of that skill, regardless of how it came about.
Certainly, pure original unadulterated Chinese Kung Fu, including pure original unadulterated Shaolin, with all the culture, history, and philosophy (which would by the way put to shame some of the commentators here) would be the best of all possible (martial arts) worlds. But short of a time machine, and as far as SD may be from that, or as close to that as many here think they are, I don't know of anyone anywhere who has that. Everything you and we learned came from someone who got it from someone who got it from someone else, etc. and etc. How it is packaged and presented aside for argument, I think there is true benefit from what we learn, from what we can do with it, more than where it came from.
Just One Student
"I seek, not to know all the answers, but to understand the questions." --- Kwai Chang Caine
(I'd really like to know all the answers, too, but understanding the questions, like most of my martial arts practice, is a more realistically attainable goal)
NIII
Well I may not be the best rapper in the world
But I play as one in this reality TV sitcom
soap opera, thriller, dramatization
Huhuh.. I would get naked up in here but I'm on probation
They prob'ly striking me out for getting too open with innovation
But don't get it twisted
I'll straight flash on y'all in a five and a heartbeat
I'm fully a full-blown bully
300 and 55 pounds soaking wet stylin'
Woody Allen who be whylin', huh
Everyone say hi, to the pork, Mork and Mindy Menendez brother
Jim Jones of the mic that won't blow a cyanide capsule cover
Jupiter Hitchc0ck would LOVE to hit a female AIDS patient without a rubber
Talk about your rough, rugged, and raw
In the flesh, David Koresh on pearl tongues and steroids
Bay Area what?
Last edited by Syn7; 10-30-2012 at 07:19 PM.
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I asked, why caouldn't I call some made-up stuff "Shaolin" if I did learn from shaolin students--and I have, outside of SD.
You replied:
Right. But considering that "shaolin" is now a subsidiary of the wishy-washy half-mercantilist, half communist Chinese state and its regulatory commissions, then who has learned from a Shaolin student? Or...who hasn't? And what kind of expatirate Chinese-born students formed the teaching staff at Chung Yen martial arts school in Bandung? And from whom did Sin The' learn? We know of some, but they weren't "Shaolin" monks as far as we can tell. But they were doing Shaolin styles. So what's your definition of "Shaolin"?
Your answers are all the same: Whatever the Chinese people who you credit as reliable sources happen to tell you. Stick with a popular style, worship its ancestors, and take pride in a lineage that can't defend you because "lineages" do not correlate to martial efficiency. And what is their ( your popular stylists') knowledge of Chinese Inidies martial arts? Well, it tends to be rather low. So WTF do you have to contribute to this discussion except to cry about how your masters were unable to protect their mind property?
LOL. Troll elsewhere. We've heard your argument before, and most of us agree that SDs history is largely fabricated.. We've got 1000 pages of your drivel (and you didn't even type it--that's how unoriginal and uninformative you are).
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Is there an objective test to show the quality of your "made up" forms, versus for example GMST's (or anyone else's) "made up" forms? And I don't mean how it is represented, that is a different question. And I don't mean a majority vote of other people who think they know more about martial arts, I mean something objective. More people willing to put up their time and money to learn it and practice it? The number of years (or decades) people continue to learn it and study it? More people able to prevail in a fight using it? I don't know, I'm just asking the question.
Just One Student
"I seek, not to know all the answers, but to understand the questions." --- Kwai Chang Caine
(I'd really like to know all the answers, too, but understanding the questions, like most of my martial arts practice, is a more realistically attainable goal)
the ass assassin
but sin the is playing the "wise chinaman" with his long hair and funny talk. thats why your shaolin do story is so outrageous and far fetched. because you feel a desire for that exoticness, for authenticity, for the magical lost shaolin.
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周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
the original objective of my "CREATING" a form was out of my own desire to see if i had the ability to put together my own form. perhaps for my personal demonstration at various celebrations. however, my students saw the worth of this form and so do others. its my own experience with Hung Sing Choy Lee Fut.Is there an objective test to show the quality of your "made up" forms, versus for example GMST's (or anyone else's) "made up" forms? And I don't mean how it is represented, that is a different question. And I don't mean a majority vote of other people who think they know more about martial arts, I mean something objective. More people willing to put up their time and money to learn it and practice it? The number of years (or decades) people continue to learn it and study it? More people able to prevail in a fight using it? I don't know, I'm just asking the question.
the objective to create forms in order to fool the unsuspecting white and black people of the midwest where a chinese person was a rare sight is a dispicable way of exploiting gung fu. i don't care who agree's or disagree's. Sin The is wrong for what he did. PERIOD.
if you are under the assumption that a form will make your fighting skills any better then you are sadly mistaken. sure there is a quality test of the techniques found within the form. and yes i have people who are emailing me regularly asking if i have the whole set on tape because they would want to learn it.
does this answer your question?
the ability to prevail in a fight never never never.....did i say NEVER depends on the style or form top win the fight for them. it depends on your personal fighting ability
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Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
凸 囧 凸
You guys are still equivocating like a motherfucker.
The simple fact remains, you learned a shit load of forms you had no business learning. Frankly, accusing you of theft is not a exactly a tenable position when masters are releasing books and videos in the first place. I for one don't really care to label anything as stolen. What I care about is it that you look like a complete donkey's ass when you perform them as improperly as SD does. Claiming them as part of some all encompassing system of Chinese gong fu only serves to stretch the assholery into the obscene.
Forms are almost completely useless to begin with. SD just makes it even worse. it is painfully obvious to anyone who has done even cursory research in Chinese gong fu when someone does a form who has no business doing that form. It's not the form itself but the environment out of which it grows that is important, that's why you all look like fools doing Chinese forms with karate body mechanics in an outfit that looks like a waiter from TGI Fridays dressed up for Halloween as The Karate Kid.
The "all forms were made up at some point" argument is complete bullshit for the same reasons that SD makes people look like spastic reanimated donkey rectum; forms aren't just made up. They evolve out of a specific context and environment and they're hard enough to perform competently within that proper context. Why do you think styles of Chinese gongfu almost always have some regional identifier attached to them? That's my objection to it, I don't care that it was "stolen" I find the complete disregard for quality offensive.
Pivoting the discussion to attack the character of SD's critics is as desperate and empty as half hearted quasi-eastern philosophical bromides or Tea Party John Galt fetishization. More prevarication to try and defend the indefensible. You guys are victims! You should be pissed at Sin The and his immediate cronies, not defending that pathetic con man. The fact that you're not just makes you enablers.
Please stop the whole, "but we can totally kick ass so that makes our crappy form bastardizations ok." No, it doesn't. Note that I'm giving some of you the benefit of the doubt as far as fighting experience is concerned only because judging from the quality of writing, you've all taken a few too many shots to the dome piece.
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
i don't know where he got his stuff from. it doesn't take long to gaffle up someone's stuff then teach it to the unsuspecting. what i do know is if there ever was a hairy ass monk like shaolin do claims there would be some form of written records of it somewhere. however, all the dates don't add up which indicates not a long of effective thinking took place.Right. But considering that "shaolin" is now a subsidiary of the wishy-washy half-mercantilist, half communist Chinese state and its regulatory commissions, then who has learned from a Shaolin student? Or...who hasn't? And what kind of expatirate Chinese-born students formed the teaching staff at Chung Yen martial arts school in Bandung? And from whom did Sin The' learn? We know of some, but they weren't "Shaolin" monks as far as we can tell. But they were doing Shaolin styles. So what's your definition of "Shaolin"?
is this Chung Yen there now? what do they have to say?
just because you copy someones style who DOES do shaolin, doesn't make YOU a shaolin practitioner. it makes you a thief who has no respect, morals, or a clue.
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
the ass assassin
if you have seen the son, you have seen the father. if you have seen the father, you have seen the son.
these are not victims. they are the fruits of the moral and spiritual corruption and degeneration of sin the. their minds have been molded and the shape has been set. they will never return to innocence again.
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oh look, here is some bandung martial arts and they're NOT wearing karate gi's or wearing karate belts. how interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io_xAbBrCas
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
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everything and everyone has a history. I would bet that SD is more like it in many ways than CMA ....what I am saying is this , somewhere between indonesia and here and 50 plus years of teaching there is some proof of legitimate teachings. its most likely that sin the's SD was a family villiage style that was based on southern shaolin roots ...to legitimize the system and expand things have been added over time and stories have been made up and or blown out of proportion.... you know like the game telephone??? the chinese and many people would rather go with the lie and or ignore the mistake and save face.....so F-UCKing what?
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
dang, brainwashing is hella effective!!!!!everything and everyone has a history. I would bet that SD is more like it in many ways than CMA ....what I am saying is this , somewhere between indonesia and here and 50 plus years of teaching there is some proof of legitimate teachings. its most likely that sin the's SD was a family villiage style that was based on southern shaolin roots ...to legitimize the system and expand things have been added over time and stories have been made up and or blown out of proportion.... you know like the game telephone??? the chinese and many people would rather go with the lie and or ignore the mistake and save face.....soF-UCKingwhat?
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
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WAS THIS 60 YEARS AGO??its part of the tradition that was taught back then ....SO****INGWHAT? all this means nothing ...nothing. just words , only words .
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