Drawing the Wing Chun Blades

[trubblman]

If your tactical folder is shorter that a BJD I don't think so. I say this from experience in real life. Not using a Do but a Marine Corps K Bar in Vietnam.

Keep in mind, he included drawing. I believe I can draw and close before he gets his out. Also I am basing my opinion on what I have seen how people used BJDs, not very impressive, even those who purport to be masters.

[LoneTiger108]

Keep in mind, he included drawing. I believe I can draw and close before he gets his out. Also I am basing my opinion on what I have seen how people used BJDs, not very impressive, even those who purport to be masters.

Care to share a clip of your drawing method?

If you will I will too

[sanjuro_ronin]

My opinion of blade work as it translates to hand:
Hand goes to blade NOT blade goes to hand.
Yes I know this tends to go against what we are taught in WC and most certainly in Kali and other FMA BUT from MY EXPERIENCE:
Taking how you fight empty handed and adding a blade works better than taking how the typical blade guy fights and using that in empty hands.

[Vajramusti]

My opinion of blade work as it translates to hand:
Hand goes to blade NOT blade goes to hand.
Yes I know this tends to go against what we are taught in WC and most certainly in Kali and other FMA BUT from MY EXPERIENCE:
Taking how you fight empty handed and adding a blade works better than taking how the typical blade guy fights and using that in empty hands.

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Good points Sanjuro BUT WC and FMA are exactly opposite on hand/blade relationships.
In WC you first need to have control over the body and the hands- otherwise the weapon can control uou.

joy chaudhuri

[k gledhill]

True the elbow/body unity ideas need to be solid or errors of knives added to early will detract from development. Plus the differences in footwork.

[LoneTiger108]

Not that I aint enjoying the conversations gents, but has anybody actually answered my questions?

... was there any time that you learnt:

1. How to defend your own blades? (ie. to stop them being taken from you)

2. How to draw your knives? (ie. using a sheath/scabbard)

Ths is really addresing those that have only practisd the form from Ip Man, as there tends to be no opening set or scabbard use. I find this strange because most decent knife sellers sell a scabbard with the blades

Every demo I have ever seen already has the knives 'drawn', mainly held over the shoulder like some kind of farmer, then a lifting leg work before separating the blades, double chop and away they go!

Has anyone here actually got a clip of ANY demo of themselves using their knives? And if you have, are you willing to share just a little?

[sanjuro_ronin]

Not that I aint enjoying the conversations gents, but has anybody actually answered my questions?



Ths is really addresing those that have only practisd the form from Ip Man, as there tends to be no opening set or scabbard use. I find this strange because most decent knife sellers sell a scabbard with the blades

Every demo I have ever seen already has the knives 'drawn', mainly held over the shoulder like some kind of farmer, then a lifting leg work before separating the blades, double chop and away they go!

Has anyone here actually got a clip of ANY demo of themselves using their knives? And if you have, are you willing to share just a little?

A valid question but the reason you see most forms start with the drawn knives is because that is how it starts.
The whole "draw/kill" that is present in some systems ( most notably Kenjutsu) is NOT the prevalent in TCMA, at least not from what I have seen in forms.

Of course, just like it was one of the "secret" teaching in kenjutsu, perhaps that is so in Chinese fencing too.

[Phil Redmond]

Not that I aint enjoying the conversations gents, but has anybody actually answered my questions?



Ths is really addresing those that have only practisd the form from Ip Man, as there tends to be no opening set or scabbard use. I find this strange because most decent knife sellers sell a scabbard with the blades

Every demo I have ever seen already has the knives 'drawn', mainly held over the shoulder like some kind of farmer, then a lifting leg work before separating the blades, double chop and away they go!

Has anyone here actually got a clip of ANY demo of themselves using their knives? And if you have, are you willing to share just a little?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm2_G6DXYtQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tujQ1XUVWsI

[wingchunIan]

Not that I aint enjoying the conversations gents, but has anybody actually answered my questions?



Ths is really addresing those that have only practisd the form from Ip Man, as there tends to be no opening set or scabbard use. I find this strange because most decent knife sellers sell a scabbard with the blades

Every demo I have ever seen already has the knives 'drawn', mainly held over the shoulder like some kind of farmer, then a lifting leg work before separating the blades, double chop and away they go!

Has anyone here actually got a clip of ANY demo of themselves using their knives? And if you have, are you willing to share just a little?

Its only strange if you base your perspective of the knives on what modern day equipment retailers like to provide. When the knives were practical they would have been tucked into belts or laid on a surface on a boat etc ready to grab. In my lineage there is a move at the start of the last section that would replicate drawing the knives from your belt. I will try to get some footage of me and my si bak using our knives. Oh and a heads up, my sifu will be releasing his third book later this year which is dedicated to the BJD.

[trubblman]

Care to share a clip of your drawing method?

If you will I will too

I ll put one up on you tube.

[k gledhill]

VT Knives add another forearm of length to distances. We are able to attack from a greater distance to the nearest target with the nearest edge. We can cover greater distances to penetrate defenses and equally move away from wild sword swings at us while combining defensive measures.
Some systems adopted the greater distances for blindside fighting as knives show, but loose the distances for bare hands. Sure a fist/finger may reach but it wont do it with the SLT elbow ideas. So no lin sil di da with the leading arm alone, always two hands fighting one aka control hit. This control hit puts you at a disadvantage because you're compelled to chase/ block an arm to make a punch. Reacting, rather than utilization of striking attacks that also defend, one leading arm at a time, allowing attacking with strikes that cut across intercepting lines of defense , etc...
Subtle but HUGE in terms of speed fighting, you become empowered to strike a guy with two arms and move and angle to dominate them, rather than block n hit as they wail in with two hands. Iow you are empowered to make them the reactors.

In regards to 'drawing' a blade faster, etc... a simple scabbard customization will make a drawing 'up' redundant. A trick guys did for six shooter fast draws was to cut away the leading edge of the holster leaving only a small amount to keep the barrel tip seated. The masters of the quickdraw then only had to 'tilt' the gun from a holster at the target , not draw it up and out, then acquire the target.....very simple custom that made the draw instant. Combat version of BCD isnt hard to imagine.

[Happy Tiger]

Fer Gawd sakes, somebody draw! The heat's killin us an Ah only gots a half hour fer lunch

[LoneTiger108]

Fer Gawd sakes, somebody draw! The heat's killin us an Ah only gots a half hour fer lunch

Ah! I have my clip ready

And I'm still willing to share!! I have to say thanks too, to Phil for at least putting up some examples of his blade work, even if it is totally different to my own.
http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/...7&postcount=24
He shares, and that's why I am here too.

Believe it or not

[GlennR]

Ah! I have my clip ready

We're all huddled around the PC in anticipation!

[LoneTiger108]

We're all huddled around the PC in anticipation!

I have no idea why?

The clip I have only lasts a second or two!