Originally Posted by YouKnowWho
Do you have video clip on sc body vibration Jin? Thanks.
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Do you have video clip on sc body vibration Jin? Thanks.
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i would say jin is refined power, rather than brute power. by taking elements such as using the whole body and correct understanding of relaxation and tension, along with lots of repetition, you cultivate jin.
that shaky jin you see in chen style is kua jin..... hip power. you use the hip to fling the body, a simple way to train this is alternating horse stance to bow stance with punching. or you can use the heavy long pole too in a similar manner
also, for wing chun, i think siu lim tao done slowly with correct amount of tension will build up the correct forward pressure and sticky hands will express it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KK4gBstnYs
Last edited by YouKnowWho; 12-22-2011 at 10:47 PM.
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Sticky hands or Chi Sau does develop Jing but not FaJing.
Its not Explosive power you develop with the Chi Sau but it is Keng Ging, Chi Ging, and Yaan Ging. Although in sparring you can use all Eight...Chi Sau basically develops three. FaJin you can practice on the wooden dummy!
I see your point. An for the Most part we agree. You are correct you can not Fajin 100% of the time. Even if you could you still wouldnt even be able to connect 100% of the time. Iron Mike Tyson has Fajin. He develops it by static training he does. and live training.
Wing Chun Jing Training is both static and live.
When I say static I don't mean really stationary or non-moving...Example Lifting weights slowly is Static training. Punching Fast with weights in hand is live training. There is also a soft side and hard side to live training in boxing. One instance is shadow boxing. The other is the heavy bag with all out strength and speed. This is live training that assist in being able to issue Fajin close to 90% of the time. Even though thats a high number you get my drift.
Wing Chun has both Static and Alive training
Static Ging Training would be: Gun Sau drill, extinguishing the candle and tearing the paper. Even Explosive style push ups that are slow at the onset are static.
Alive Ging Training would be: the Mook Yan Jong Ging Training, Wall Bag Training, and certain short range push ups done at a fast pace. You practice those things at high intensity so your body can get use to issuing powering at anerobic level of intensity. Banging the dummy and uprooting it at a fast pace would be alive. Doing so slowly would be static. Both have their place of course. Hitting the wall bag with fast powerful punches with different types of energy from snapping, pushing, vibrating accompanied with rotating and/or vibrating of the hips and advancing of your structure behind it in a continous cycle from one strike to the next is training your ability to Fajin at a constant high intense level. The More you practice it that way, the more skill you become and the easier it will be to apply in a sparring or fighting!
You Train Your Fist, Ginger Fist and Phoenix Eye Fist With the Wall Bag in a Live Way to develop Fajin along with proper conditioning on multi-levels. You train your Arms, Bridge and Palm strikes With the Mook Yan Jong at fast continous pace along with conditioning on multi-levels in addition to developing the ability to Fajin from one technique to the next! Here you don't stop with one strike or one technique. You connect them all together and make them a continous motion like the linked chain punch. Your Jing should be continous and cycle through the Jong. No one Hitter Quitters.
Of Course certain Static Ways of Striking which are slower and more powerful can be applied when you have your opponent flanked or trapped or in a posistion where he can't counter or defend. When the opportunity arises take advantage of it.
Note: Fajin or WC explosive short power in your strikes allows you shock your opponent's nervous system and drop him. Example you hit him so hard it jolts his brain and makes it shake in his skull that he temporarily blacks out from whiplash or you strike him in a weak point that the sudden pain takes his breath away and he crumbles over. You can hide static strikes in between your flowing attacks. Which means as you flow with speed overwhelming your opponent you can at certain times slip in hard fajin in when you have the dominate posistion or a clear opening he can't defend!
Just my little thoughts on the whole issue! Not really disagreeing with you though mate!
Last edited by Yoshiyahu; 12-23-2011 at 12:08 AM.
The Flow is relentless like a raging ocean with crashing waves devasting anything in its path.
"Kick Like Thunder, Strike Like Lighting, Fist Hard as Stones."
"Wing Chun flows around overwhelming force and finds openings with its constant flow of forward energy."
"Always Attack, Be Aggressive always Attack first, Be Relentless. Continue with out ceasing. Flow Like Water, Move like the wind, Attack Like Fire. Consume and overwhelm your Adversary until he is No More"
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good clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylVvk...eature=related
Another video showing Tai Chi Ging Training!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sackVwrQuXA
I cant find the original chinese guys videos...they must of have removed them!
Last edited by Yoshiyahu; 12-22-2011 at 11:29 PM.
The Flow is relentless like a raging ocean with crashing waves devasting anything in its path.
"Kick Like Thunder, Strike Like Lighting, Fist Hard as Stones."
"Wing Chun flows around overwhelming force and finds openings with its constant flow of forward energy."
"Always Attack, Be Aggressive always Attack first, Be Relentless. Continue with out ceasing. Flow Like Water, Move like the wind, Attack Like Fire. Consume and overwhelm your Adversary until he is No More"
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John,
Thanks!
This is a part of a movie ? I don't see the vibrate but body bounce. How do you do it in sc?
Last edited by Hendrik; 12-23-2011 at 12:42 AM.
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Can somebody at least post the chinese characters for 'fajing'??
As a Cantonese Wing Chun student I find all these Mandarin terms just so confusing sometimes...
Ti Fei
詠春國術
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发劲(Fa Jin)
In order to "bounce", your body need to vibrate to one side and then viberate to the other side. To develop this Jin, you can hang a weigh on a rope, and put rope on your neck. You then stay in a horse stance and use your body vibration to swing that weight up and down. It's called 轰档(Hong Dang).
Last edited by YouKnowWho; 12-23-2011 at 11:12 AM.
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Hendrik Style of Chi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvxEk..._order&list=UL
My Style of Chi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIc5NIfrnJs
Hendrix Style of Ging or Jing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJKg3...eature=related
My Kind of Jing or Ging: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjSYTBbH2Rw
Do you agree or disagree Hendrix?
Which one do you feel is realistic against a struggling opponent?
The Flow is relentless like a raging ocean with crashing waves devasting anything in its path.
"Kick Like Thunder, Strike Like Lighting, Fist Hard as Stones."
"Wing Chun flows around overwhelming force and finds openings with its constant flow of forward energy."
"Always Attack, Be Aggressive always Attack first, Be Relentless. Continue with out ceasing. Flow Like Water, Move like the wind, Attack Like Fire. Consume and overwhelm your Adversary until he is No More"
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What is chi?
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Yoshi, you are joking, right?
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chi is energy and jing is power...glad to see u up and conversating...
joking about what...you disagree? i would love to see a clip of you or someone else doing Tai Chi and actually fighting with it against a live resistanting opponent?
Do you have one?
I am open for enlightenment!!!
The Flow is relentless like a raging ocean with crashing waves devasting anything in its path.
"Kick Like Thunder, Strike Like Lighting, Fist Hard as Stones."
"Wing Chun flows around overwhelming force and finds openings with its constant flow of forward energy."
"Always Attack, Be Aggressive always Attack first, Be Relentless. Continue with out ceasing. Flow Like Water, Move like the wind, Attack Like Fire. Consume and overwhelm your Adversary until he is No More"
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That's the 1st clip I have seen that a Taiji guy is not striking into the thin air. Thanks for sharing.
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Just because someone claims something does not mean it is true.
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Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there.
Any "internal" guy who has courage to
- put up a personal clip, also
- work on striking target,
that person deserves a lot of credit.
If you think that you can do better, please put up your personal clip.
Last edited by YouKnowWho; 12-23-2011 at 10:57 PM.
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