Vertical VS Horizontal

[curenado]

Dragon gong fu. The low stances, high kicks and general goal of "learning to ride the wind" - are the "for dummies" version that leads toward what it seems you're describing. Tiger doesn't seem as much on the surface, but there is a lot of all-focus in horizontal strike power. Rooting and horse are another case where vertical is as much or more than horizontal.

[Rojcewicz]

Dragon gong fu. The low stances, high kicks and general goal of "learning to ride the wind" - are the "for dummies" version that leads toward what it seems you're describing. Tiger doesn't seem as much on the surface, but there is a lot of all-focus in horizontal strike power. Rooting and horse are another case where vertical is as much or more than horizontal.

What I'm saying is that the use of vertical power as the primary power of all actions is not specific to any style, but that it is simply superior to horizontal power (the power that can be generated when trying to move any part of the body horizontally) and that the goal of martial art movement should be to integrate a vertical action into every horizontal action, that vertical power should replace horizontal power as much as is possible without destroying horizontal power all together. When one throws a punch, one should make the punch an extension of rising from a squat, but without totally reducing the horizontal movement, otherwise your fist wont meet your target in space. I recommend trying it out. A straight punch is a horizontal movement, squatting and rising from a squat is a vertical movement, if you can mix the two appropriately then, when you hit, your opponent will feel that they are being driven off the ground by an unstoppable force.

[bawang]

lol @ obviously muscular tai chi teachers telling their students not to lift weights and do silk reeling for cosmic strength

[SPJ]

There are big 3 things mixed up here.

1 straight vs lateral. zhi jin dui heng jin.

If the opponent uses straight energy, we use lateral one to neutralize it.

If the opponent uses lateral energy, we use straight one to neutralize it.

It is like a spear vs a shield. Back and forth.

2 rising vs sinking (up and down) energy

Downward energy is more important than rising one.

3 expanding vs shrinking (exploding vs imploding) energy

Peng is upward, forward, downward and expanding energy.

Huan yuan is a mixture of all of the above. It is circular and centering around dan tian. It is exploding and imploding.

Meaning we have to practice one energy at a time.

Then we mix 2, then 3 then all.

There.

[Rojcewicz]

There are big 3 things mixed up here.

1 straight vs lateral. zhi jin dui heng jin.

If the opponent uses straight energy, we use lateral one to neutralize it.

If the opponent uses lateral energy, we use straight one to neutralize it.

It is like a spear vs a shield. Back and forth.

2 rising vs sinking (up and down) energy

Downward energy is more important than rising one.

3 expanding vs shrinking (exploding vs imploding) energy

Peng is upward, forward, downward and expanding energy.

Huan yuan is a mixture of all of the above. It is circular and centering around dan tian. It is exploding and imploding.

Meaning we have to practice one energy at a time.

Then we mix 2, then 3 then all.

There.

Do you think you've clarified anything? Nothing you've said can be put into practice, because your words deal largely in abstraction and offer no advice in the way of practical training method. Exploding and imploding? Unless your body is stuffed with TNT its not going to be exploding. When you use your arms, no matter the motion, their power is primarily horizontal (they can move through space horizontally with great freedom at many angles) whatever vertical power they have is derived from the vertical power of the torso which is itself deriving vertical power through the legs (vertical power being the power to go up and to stay up, which is necessarily paired with being able to go down and to be lower). The action of the arms alone can be gentle or quite forceful, depending on the speed and intent of the arms action, but whatever power the arms have to push through, penetrate, or control something is derived from the vertical power of the body. The vertical power of a body when standing is exponentially greater than its horizontal power. What I want to open for discussion with anyone who is touched by the topic, is how can we train to more effectively apply the bodies vertical power to horizontal conflicts?
What are the necessary changes that need to happen in the way we are already training? What is your experience of the primacy of vertical power? After all, who that ever went to school didn't wear a backpack, often heavy, on their shoulders day in day out? Could you imagine having to carry that heavy backpack in your arms all day?

[SPJ]

All of these energy types exist in your silk reeling drills.

The wrist

The elbow

The shoulder

The waist

The steps.

Exploding and imploding meaning suddenly outward or inward.

Shaking energy has its own practices and drills.

[SPJ]

if you rotate your forearm along its axis outward, it is peng.
if you rotate your forearm along its axis inward, it is guo or wrapping.

If you rotate your torso left or right, you create a spinning lateral power.

If you like vertical vs horizontal, is is called a cross or shi zi jin. There has to be a spiraling energy from the feet to your hands.

You have to focus on a body part first. You practice that part alone.

Then you practice all of them at the same time.