This is a double standard, boxing can be learned without the gloves and the exact same issues will be present if the person is doing Wing Chun, or any other art. Its not an issue applicable only to boxing. Your reasoning is a cop out.
Again, same issues are present for a practitioner of VT or any other art.
No I'm not, does VT go all out when drilling, sparring or training new techniques versus actual fighting? The mentality of training, sparring and competition is way different than fighting to save your life. You telling me that VT practitioners always act or train as if their lives depended on it?
Please, quit acting as if VT is so vastly different from other versions of Wing Chun that it is to be classified by itself, same sh!t, different packaging.
Seems to me that the application only works on other compliant VT practitioners. MMA is the closest thing there is to a legal street fight, I've seen a multitude of styles try their luck, very few have survived the test, boxing has, and without big gloves and broken hands.
I would be glad to examine the evidence, just haven't seen any that actually qualifies as evidence. Seen plenty of people playing patty cake, dominating non-resisting participants and demoing. Where is any actual FIGHT footage to support the claims?
Boxing is a martial art that has a dedicated platform to field test its effectiveness. Does VT?
So this is your way of saying that VT is essentially untested and unproven under spontaneous conditions and heavy pressure? Or, are you saying it's too deadly for competition?
No I'm saying its fraudulent to claim a pickup is built for offroad when it is never taken offroad and tested.
I guess you mean you have been watching wing chun on the internet for 25 years, and trolling wing chun forums? That doesn't really count, you have to actually try it you know. It is pretty obvious that you don't know anything about the system.
Shocking that people training for particular combat sports do well in said combat sports. Unexpected and shockingThere's a reason why arts like boxing and wrestling have flourished on the world stage in real fighting competition, and WC/VT has not.
Discussion of the ideas of VT is a simple way to show inconsistency in the ideas of VT. On a forum it is the only way.continue to ramble on about how it's because only very few possess the "real" VT & the rest is watered down or broken without providing any actual proof outside your unrealistic theories
This is a fallacyYou two clowns hide behind your self perceived superior knowledge of all things VT, but never back up your claims and dismiss any real argument as fallacy
Lol, Frost?Let's see a video of either one of you sparring so that we can all be enlightened, let's see some fight footage of you against another art. You're so keen to point out other's inadequacies and lack of understanding, how about you defend footage of yourself. I bet it won't happen
Sorry, this is just nonsense. None of the particular issues with boxing listed by LFJ are present in VT.
VT doesn't need adaption for fighting, it is designed for fighting, taking a particular strategy for the fightAgain, same issues are present for a practitioner of VT or any other art
You are contradicting yourself because you said that boxing doesn't need adapted for fighting, before listing some ways that boxing needs adapted for fighting. This is the contradiction, nothing to do with VT. Just a mistake of logical thinking by yourself.No I'm not, does VT go all out when drilling, sparring or training new techniques versus actual fighting? The mentality of training, sparring and competition is way different than fighting to save your life. You telling me that VT practitioners always act or train as if their lives depended on it?
But again you make a rather funny example of how you have no clue about the VT training methodology. Why not stop lying about your experience and just be honest?
While VT is indeed very different to some other wing chun that I have seen, it is fairly obvious that you don't know anything about ANY wing chun at all. You are just guessing after watching some clips on the internet.Please, quit acting as if VT is so vastly different from other versions of Wing Chun that it is to be classified by itself, same sh!t, different packaging
How can it seem anything to you without first experiencing it? LolSeems to me that the application only works on other compliant VT practitioners
Off you go then. Report back.I would be glad to examine the evidence, just haven't seen any that actually qualifies as evidence
Boxing is a rule set. People train in different ways with different beliefs and understandings and compete under that rule set. It is in no way systematised and so in no way a martial art.Boxing is a martial art that has a dedicated platform to field test its effectiveness
Again you only show your lack of understanding of the VT learning process.No I'm saying its fraudulent to claim a pickup is built for offroad when it is never taken offroad and tested
I know plenty about the system, just haven't guzzled down the kool aid.
Shocking that people who train in a method they claim is for fighting, yet don't actually fight.
Hard to discuss anything with a fanatic
No it isn't.
Sorry to disappoint, but no, I'm not Frost, are you Hendrick?
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Prove it then. Cause right now you are only expressing your opinion.
No it needs a complete revamping, but by all means go on believing in your delusions, I could care less.
Mindset towards a situation isn't strategy, its something that affects or determines strategy and tactic. Boxing has more than one approach.
I could care less about your belief that VT training methodology is something vastly different to every other branch of Wing Chun. It isn't, you only try to make it out to be so to set your cult apart from everyone else. Same sh!t, different diaper.
Now your just trolling in a poor attempt to get my goat, because you cant actually prove any of your claims.
Who's to say I haven't, I never made that remark. You only assume that because on not on board with your belief that VT (WSL or PB) is the be all end all, perfect system of Wing Chun.
Reporting now, still didn't find anything cause it doesn't exist.
This is a rich statement, VT has some of the most strict rule sets of any martial art, so much so that its rendered it nearly useless outside of itself. Why is it that every branch that actually free fights with Wing Chun against other styles has modified it to a point to where it is nearly unrecognizable as what many would consider Wing Chun? Let me guess, you're going to go on about how they never learned the real stuff and filled deficiencies in with other methods.
Think what you want. I think you don't understand what the real purpose of Wing Chun actually is.
None of the listed issues would apply to VT because VT doesn't just cover up, doesn't bob and weave, etc..
Again, VT doesn't do those things and so wouldn't need to adapt them to free fighting.Again, same issues are present for a practitioner of VT or any other art.
VT trains to prepare for unplanned confrontation where there are no rules.The mentality of training, sparring and competition is way different than fighting to save your life. You telling me that VT practitioners always act or train as if their lives depended on it?
Boxing trains to prepare for planned matches in a ring with rules and a ref.
There is a list of things needing to be changed for boxing to prepare for the same thing VT is preparing for.
To the profoundly ignorant, maybe!Please, quit acting as if VT is so vastly different from other versions of Wing Chun that it is to be classified by itself, same sh!t, different packaging.
VT and TWC, for example, are entirely different approaches to fighting and fight training.
Even where there are very superficial similarities, the interpretations and functions of those things are also entirely different. Recent discussions have made this abundantly clear.
And you got this idea from watching training clips on Youtube, not from experiencing VT or trying your hand against it.Seems to me that the application only works on other compliant VT practitioners.
I'm not talking about surfing Youtube. Get off the internet and go try your hand at it.I would be glad to examine the evidence, just haven't seen any that actually qualifies as evidence. Seen plenty of people playing patty cake, dominating non-resisting participants and demoing. Where is any actual FIGHT footage to support the claims?
Boxing is a combative sport with a platform for competition, as with all sports. VT is not a sport.Boxing is a martial art that has a dedicated platform to field test its effectiveness. Does VT?
Neither. VT is tested and proven by those who train it or have the balls to show up and test it with their heavy pressure.So this is your way of saying that VT is essentially untested and unproven under spontaneous conditions and heavy pressure? Or, are you saying it's too deadly for competition?
It has not been proven to you personally because you are neither of those guys.
What you mean by "offroad" is really in sporting competition.No I'm saying its fraudulent to claim a pickup is built for offroad when it is never taken offroad and tested.
You are erroneously stating the "offroad" testing ground for a pickup should be the Formula 1 circuit, and fraudulently claiming pickups are useless because they haven't proven themselves on the race track.
Ran for the hills, hope just remembered I had better things to do, seriously you two train a cultish version of a martial art widely considered one of the most incomplete Chinese styles out there, which if it wasn't for a dead actor would still be a unknown style dieing off in Hong Kong, and without said actor would best be known as that silly art used in those roof top slap fests going on between kids after school during the 60's in Hong kong
Neither of our have the balls to post a clip of yourselves doing anything remotely martial, hell you wont even post were you train or with whom,not to mention the only one from wsl's lineage who were proved they could fight at all was wsl himself, a guy who ...Boxed before doing wing chun.
Oh the irony the only one who could actually prove they could fight with wing chun was a boxer...
Now if you two want to continue your mutual masterbation go for it, Christ at least Hendrick had the balls to actually put videos up,
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I also have experience with other than VT, as has guy b., I believe.
And he abandoned boxing in favor of VT because VT is so much less effective in free fighting, huh?the only one from wsl's lineage who were proved they could fight at all was wsl himself, a guy who ...Boxed before doing wing chun.
Oh the irony the only one who could actually prove they could fight with wing chun was a boxer...
It doesn't take balls to put up videos. lolat least Hendrick had the balls to actually put videos up,
It takes balls to actually go try your hand at something instead of talking on a forum.
Still waiting for your awesome Bak Mei fighting clips, though.