Romney and the Mormon Cult

[Lucas]

I'm Mormon and you guys offend me. I'm off to read my golden tomes to my wives, and pay homage to the late great Rodney Dangerfield.

[wenshu]

I fear his mormonism less than i fear his understanding of the common man.

It's unbelievable how tone deaf this guy is. I would seriously hate to be working on a campaign when the candidate actively works to undermine everything you are there to do in the first place.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...l-team-owners/

And at one point, Mr. Finebaum asked Mr. Romney, as a New England Patriots fan, where he thought Peyton Manning should go as a free agent, and the candidate highlighted his friendship with football team owners — echoing comments in which he explained his affinity for Nascar by noting he knew the owners of Nascar teams.

“I’m surprised to hear that Denver’s thinking about him,” Mr. Romney said. “I don’t want him in our neck of the woods, let’s put it that way.”

“I’ve got a lot of good friends, the owner of the Miami Dolphins and the New York Jets, both owners are friends of mine,” he added. “But let’s keep him away from New England.”

[sanjuro_ronin]

It's unbelievable how tone deaf this guy is. I would seriously hate to be working on a campaign when the candidate actively works to undermine everything you are there to do in the first place.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...l-team-owners/

I don't get it...

[David Jamieson]

I don't get it...

It works like this with Mitt

Guy in audience: "What do you think of cookies Mitt?"
Mitt: "Well I know several people who own all the companies that make cookies"

or

Guy In Audience: " Boxers of Briefs?"
Mitt: " I know the owner of Stanfields personally, I like them"

or

Guy in Audience: "Why is gas so expensive"
Mitt: " I know a guy who owns 50 oil wells!"

The disconnect is that Romney fails at the level of being able to communicate with the common man in simple human terms. Mitt has to put himself above people because that's what he has been taught to do. He discriminates based on class and more than likely hates going to rallies and town halls because he cannot relate to the common man.

He's had a silver spoon, a silver fork, a silver knife and a silver plate to eat off his whole life. He simply is disconnected from the Majority of Americans and the real on the ground issues they have.

Mitt should stay in corporate-sphere for the rest of his days. Although, he brings harm to the people there as well according to his track record of company breakups and sell offs that are followed by huge job losses.

In my opinion, the GOP is deliberately fronting these fools in order to shoe in Obama. I don't know what kind of person would support the ideas of Romney, Gingrich or the now gone Rick Perry.

I do understand the hope of Libertarian idealists who run after Paul. But Paul has too much common sense and is actually too educated and informed for the base he has thrown in with which is the modern conservative, not be be confused with actual conservatives. The modern ones seem overtly concerned about everyone having to believe in anti-abortion and jesus despite that religion and idea being pretty much a middle of the road or minority though.

The attachment by the GOP to the Christian right was a HUUUUUUGE mistake and has shot them in the foot over and over again. It's an insult to a great deal of Americans for one thing who are not all Christians, in fact, not even mostly Christians.

the very idea of Christianity having a higher seat in the government is abhorrent on every level when weighed against the constitution guidelines.

a huge mistake. It sucks. I like conservatism, but this? This is crap.

[sanjuro_ronin]

It works like this with Mitt

Guy in audience: "What do you think of cookies Mitt?"
Mitt: "Well I know several people who own all the companies that make cookies"

or

Guy In Audience: " Boxers of Briefs?"
Mitt: " I know the owner of Stanfields personally, I like them"

or

Guy in Audience: "Why is gas so expensive"
Mitt: " I know a guy who owns 50 oil wells!"

The disconnect is that Romney fails at the level of being able to communicate with the common man in simple human terms. Mitt has to put himself above people because that's what he has been taught to do. He discriminates based on class and more than likely hates going to rallies and town halls because he cannot relate to the common man.

He's had a silver spoon, a silver fork, a silver knife and a silver plate to eat off his whole life. He simply is disconnected from the Majority of Americans and the real on the ground issues they have.

Mitt should stay in corporate-sphere for the rest of his days. Although, he brings harm to the people there as well according to his track record of company breakups and sell offs that are followed by huge job losses.

In my opinion, the GOP is deliberately fronting these fools in order to shoe in Obama. I don't know what kind of person would support the ideas of Romney, Gingrich or the now gone Rick Perry.

I do understand the hope of Libertarian idealists who run after Paul. But Paul has too much common sense and is actually too educated and informed for the base he has thrown in with which is the modern conservative, not be be confused with actual conservatives. The modern ones seem overtly concerned about everyone having to believe in anti-abortion and jesus despite that religion and idea being pretty much a middle of the road or minority though.

The attachment by the GOP to the Christian right was a HUUUUUUGE mistake and has shot them in the foot over and over again. It's an insult to a great deal of Americans for one thing who are not all Christians, in fact, not even mostly Christians.

the very idea of Christianity having a higher seat in the government is abhorrent on every level when weighed against the constitution guidelines.

a huge mistake. It sucks. I like conservatism, but this? This is crap.

Ah, I understand now.
Thanks.
Politics and religion have ALWAYS been intermixed, indeed in Jesus' time religions was politics.
Sure the "new people of the new convenant" were not the be of "this world" but the issue has always been what "of this world" meant and more and more scholar that are viewing Jesus as he was - A jewish prophet in the 1st century AD under the second temple - are realizing that "not of this world" meant to NOT be part of the current second temple judaisim that was leading them to utter destruction.

Of course it is a timeless lesson also, one that warns believer always of NOT being part of what they KNOW or can at least "see" is NOT the correct way to go.

Should a christian being in politics? Yes, it is a job like any other the problem is that UNLESS a christian is able to maintain his "christianity" then he must choose between politics and Christ and that SHOULD me "bye bye politics".

Why? because a Christian is a Christian FIRST and then everything else second and by that I mean a Christian BEFORE he is an american or a senator or even a president.

[Syn7]

I don't like how Religion is weening it's way back into what is supposed to be a secular political system. Rick Santorum is a great example. WTF is he smoking? He freely admits that he will put the faith first. I haven't heard Romney say anything of the sort. In fact he barely mentions his faith at all. And that's weird in itself. I wonder what his connection really is. Is he a half assed Mormon or an undercover hardliner? What? The other end of religion in politics drives me nuts too. Perfect example is a guy like Obama. I doubt he would even go to church if he didn't feel like he had to. How long will it take for the US to elect an atheist or an agnostic let alone a Muslim, Buddhist or anything else "eastern".

If Obama came out and said "I am not a Christian anymore, my faith is gone. I am an atheist and I will not bring any of that into my politics." does anyone think he could even have a hope at winning a second term? In fact had he said it last year we prolly would have seen a democratic primary.

The republican primary is insane. Anyone see Herman Cains SickOfStimulus ad? with the fish? WTF is he smoking? Now Rush is on the run for calling a civilian a $lut, wh0re and a bunch more and FOX news comes back with "Bill Maher has said bad things about Palin and Bachman" as if being dead serious and preaching how a college woman who was a CIVILIAN is a wh0re sex addict who wants you to pay her for her addiction is the same as a stand up comedian calling a PUBLIC POLITICAL FIGURE a dumb c*nt in a stand up routine at a private show. He tones in down for prime time even tho his message is the same. That's not the same as what Rush did. These people are going crazy. It's like a race to the right. God forbid any of them actually get elected and have to backpedal like a motherfukcer because they are back in the real world. Like all that Iran rhetoric. How freaking irresponsible is that? Even the Mossad is like "WHOA, STFU!!! Think before you speak, American!"

And as they move to the right, the left tards out and moves to the center to accommodate what they feel is an exploitable gap and leave their real base with arms up in disbelief. I laugh when republicans call Obama a socialist. In reality the man is very moderate. And anything but a strong leader. The man runs on change and then hires an unprecedented amount of wall street insiders to re-tool the next scam on the taxpayer. We thought Bush was into cronyism. Obama is worse. They call him no drama Obama like he's inherently weak and avoids conflict across the aisle. But in reality I think he knows exactly what he's doing and he is positioning himself for the best possible post presidential life he can while he's POTUS.


Anywhoo. I'm done ranting... for now.


Oh and like I said in my very first post. All organized religions fall under the definition of "Cult". Every last one of them.

There is the real definition and then there is what most people think of when they hear the word. The definition a ton of folks think is....

1. a. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.

[Syn7]

It works like this with Mitt

Guy in audience: "What do you think of cookies Mitt?"
Mitt: "Well I know several people who own all the companies that make cookies"

or

Guy In Audience: " Boxers of Briefs?"
Mitt: " I know the owner of Stanfields personally, I like them"

or

Guy in Audience: "Why is gas so expensive"
Mitt: " I know a guy who owns 50 oil wells!"

The disconnect is that Romney fails at the level of being able to communicate with the common man in simple human terms. Mitt has to put himself above people because that's what he has been taught to do. He discriminates based on class and more than likely hates going to rallies and town halls because he cannot relate to the common man.

He's had a silver spoon, a silver fork, a silver knife and a silver plate to eat off his whole life. He simply is disconnected from the Majority of Americans and the real on the ground issues they have.

Mitt should stay in corporate-sphere for the rest of his days. Although, he brings harm to the people there as well according to his track record of company breakups and sell offs that are followed by huge job losses.

America has been bought out, stripped and sold for parts. Profitable business is gutted for the quick dollar and left to rot while the citizens pay the long term consequences. These perpetrators are Americans masquerading as Patriots in order to hide their economic cannibalism.

This is Romneys business model. That is how he makes his money. The main reason he has trouble connecting with common people is because he has always looked at them as pawns on a game board. From day one he was taught that he was to be served, not to serve. So when he stands in front of a group of people who aren't indoctrinated or financially benefiting from him they see right through his "I'm here to serve you" speeches because it is so disingenuous it shines right through any words he could possibly utter.

Even the GOP is annoyed that he's running. They have been trying to court more blood but have been unsuccessful. Even Jeb Bush turned them down. There is still a chance that Neither Romney, Santorum or Gingrich will get the nomination.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I don't like how Religion is weening it's way back into what is supposed to be a secular political system. Rick Santorum is a great example. WTF is he smoking? He freely admits that he will put the faith first. I haven't heard Romney say anything of the sort. In fact he barely mentions his faith at all. And that's weird in itself. I wonder what his connection really is. Is he a half assed Mormon or an undercover hardliner? What? The other end of religion in politics drives me nuts too. Perfect example is a guy like Obama. I doubt he would even go to church if he didn't feel like he had to. How long will it take for the US to elect an atheist or an agnostic let alone a Muslim, Buddhist or anything else "eastern".

If Obama came out and said "I am not a Christian anymore, my faith is gone. I am an atheist and I will not bring any of that into my politics." does anyone think he could even have a hope at winning a second term? In fact had he said it last year we prolly would have seen a democratic primary.

The republican primary is insane. Anyone see Herman Cains SickOfStimulus ad? with the fish? WTF is he smoking? Now Rush is on the run for calling a civilian a $lut, wh0re and a bunch more and FOX news comes back with "Bill Maher has said bad things about Palin and Bachman" as if being dead serious and preaching how a college woman who was a CIVILIAN is a wh0re sex addict who wants you to pay her for her addiction is the same as a stand up comedian calling a PUBLIC POLITICAL FIGURE a dumb c*nt in a stand up routine at a private show. He tones in down for prime time even tho his message is the same. That's not the same as what Rush did. These people are going crazy. It's like a race to the right. God forbid any of them actually get elected and have to backpedal like a motherfukcer because they are back in the real world. Like all that Iran rhetoric. How freaking irresponsible is that? Even the Mossad is like "WHOA, STFU!!! Think before you speak, American!"

And as they move to the right, the left tards out and moves to the center to accommodate what they feel is an exploitable gap and leave their real base with arms up in disbelief. I laugh when republicans call Obama a socialist. In reality the man is very moderate. And anything but a strong leader. The man runs on change and then hires an unprecedented amount of wall street insiders to re-tool the next scam on the taxpayer. We thought Bush was into cronyism. Obama is worse. They call him no drama Obama like he's inherently weak and avoids conflict across the aisle. But in reality I think he knows exactly what he's doing and he is positioning himself for the best possible post presidential life he can while he's POTUS.


Anywhoo. I'm done ranting... for now.


Oh and like I said in my very first post. All organized religions fall under the definition of "Cult". Every last one of them.

There is the real definition and then there is what most people think of when they hear the word. The definition a ton of folks think is....

Personally I think what Rick is doing is great, he is being honest and straight forward and people will either vote for that or not, refreshing actually.

As for the Rush thing, he is as big an idiot as Maher, talk about to sides of the same coin.
Sensationalism over talent I guess.
And yes, every organized religion is a cult by the very definition of the word as it was used correctly ( perhaps sect is even more correct), but the definition you posted leaves a big gray area....

1. a. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.

Many organized religions do NOT have a sole leader, false and unconvential are highly subjective terms and not all religious followers of a religion that has a sole authoritive figure follow his advice and there is no real punishment if they don't ( Roman Catholics come to mind).

[David Jamieson]

For Episcopalians and Anglicans it's the same with the british monarch being their head of the church.

For tibetan buddhists it's the DL

I think, except for Ba'hai, all organized religions have a figure head and leader, a defender of the faith so to speak. Either big scale, or in a franchised regional kind of way.

[Drake]

Dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

[Hebrew Hammer]

I fear his mormonism less than i fear his understanding of the common man.

Great point...I fear his moronism more than his mormonism.

[Hebrew Hammer]

I don't like how Religion is weening it's way back into what is supposed to be a secular political system. Rick Santorum is a great example. WTF is he smoking? He freely admits that he will put the faith first. I haven't heard Romney say anything of the sort.

It's not what politicians say...its' what they do, everyone of them or at least 99% just pander to the voters and do what is in their own best interest.

[Syn7]

Personally I think what Rick is doing is great, he is being honest and straight forward and people will either vote for that or not, refreshing actually.

As for the Rush thing, he is as big an idiot as Maher, talk about to sides of the same coin.
Sensationalism over talent I guess.
And yes, every organized religion is a cult by the very definition of the word as it was used correctly ( perhaps sect is even more correct), but the definition you posted leaves a big gray area....


Many organized religions do NOT have a sole leader, false and unconvential are highly subjective terms and not all religious followers of a religion that has a sole authoritive figure follow his advice and there is no real punishment if they don't ( Roman Catholics come to mind).

That isn't the only definition I posted. What I said is that the first part of the definition is what most people think of when they hear cult. That's all. I never said it was my definition. I went thru a few dictionaries and they were all the same pretty much. This one was one of the more "diverse" and fair definitions that I could find. It gave the freak paranoid definition then it gave the rest of the meanings. What the word actually means.

I suppose Santorum being honest about one thing is refreshing since it's coming from a guy who has been caught lying a handful of times. Otherwise he's just a politician riding a wave he thinks will get him the nomination. And to be completely honest, I'm not sure I even believe he believes most of what he says as far as the fundamentalist sh1t goes.


And a comedy show, a stand up routine at a private show at that, is not the same as a dead serious political show. One is a real pundit and one is a pretend pundit, for laughs. What he believes is irrelevant. Not the same thing.

Of course the medias liberal bias is giving Maher a pass for the Jewish liberal media cabal and are not prepared to give Rush the same courtesy. Yeah that's it.

Not the same thing. One is comedy, one is serious. One is actively trying to demonize a CIVILIAN whereas another gets his kicks, and a huge pay cheque, for making fun of PUBLIC FIGURES. Political figures.

Not the same thing. It's not the same coin, It's not the same coin purse.

[Syn7]

I don't understand why you respond as if I only posted:

n. 1. a. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.

When I actually posted:

Cult
(kŭlt)
n. 1. a. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
b. The followers of such a religion or sect.

2. A system or community of religious worship and ritual.
3. The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual.
4. A usually nonscientific method or regimen claimed by its originator to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease.
5. a. Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing.
b. The object of such devotion.

6. An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic or intellectual interest.

And why did you assume that was my definition when I very clearly stated:

There is the real definition and then there is what most people think of when they hear the word. The definition a ton of folks think is....

?

[sanjuro_ronin]

That isn't the only definition I posted. What I said is that the first part of the definition is what most people think of when they hear cult. That's all. I never said it was my definition. I went thru a few dictionaries and they were all the same pretty much. This one was one of the more "diverse" and fair definitions that I could find. It gave the freak paranoid definition then it gave the rest of the meanings. What the word actually means.

I suppose Santorum being honest about one thing is refreshing since it's coming from a guy who has been caught lying a handful of times. Otherwise he's just a politician riding a wave he thinks will get him the nomination. And to be completely honest, I'm not sure I even believe he believes most of what he says as far as the fundamentalist sh1t goes.


And a comedy show, a stand up routine at a private show at that, is not the same as a dead serious political show. One is a real pundit and one is a pretend pundit, for laughs. What he believes is irrelevant. Not the same thing.

Of course the medias liberal bias is giving Maher a pass for the Jewish liberal media cabal and are not prepared to give Rush the same courtesy. Yeah that's it.

Not the same thing. One is comedy, one is serious. One is actively trying to demonize a CIVILIAN whereas another gets his kicks, and a huge pay cheque, for making fun of PUBLIC FIGURES. Political figures.

Not the same thing. It's not the same coin, It's not the same coin purse.

I was just showing that, that definition, while the most popular one in regards to "cult" doesn't really apply to most organized religions, that's all.
The other definitions are what they are and can be applied to anything from MA ( as we know) to even historical figures of no religious factor whatsoever.

As for comedy VS serious, I think that's a cop out, sorry.
Disguising something in comedy MAY get a pass by some sure but Maher has always made it more than "just comedy".
And one can argue that more people take Maher seriously than they do Rush.