New Sheriff In Town...

[Ray Pina]

Let me remind you that I started training MMA and submission wrestling in March of 2005. Well before you

And now you're a professional coach? I'm told here I'm not suited to discuss Wing Chun after as many years of study

... my first MMA fight was in Sept. of 2006. Yours?

Right now i have a broken right hand. I didn't get that from hitting rewind on a DVD player.

I admire that you train hard and are committed. But frankly I find your arrogance and solipsism exhausting.

I'm sorry about your hand. Injuries suck. I broke my clavicle 2 years ago and now its FDed up... seeing a specialist next Thursday.

The truth though, I'm actually a very humble guy and say what I say to get guys thinking here. I am not a master.

I did play college football though. So if I see a bunch of half-tards playing flag football drunk in the parking lot of a Giants game, and then they start telling me what is what regarding football. I don't think it's out of place, compared to them, to say I'm a GOD of football.... 1st Team all State in HS. Captain. Scholarship to ****ty inner city school.

Regarding Kung FU and my message here. Exactly the same. If these guys are masters, I'm a Grand Grand Grand Grand Grand Master!!!!!!

[Jimbo]

me too. That's cuz I use Grecian Formula. I'm still waiting for them to come out with lo-rise brief depends, though. The other ones stick up out of my speedos.

LMAO!!!

Only a few months ago, a younger woman guessed my age at 29 or 30. Unfortunately, other Asians tend to put my age somewhat higher.

[Lucas]

the most recent E-Zine article here is so relevant to this topic. Its a good read.

http://kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=996

[Taixuquan99]

To claim to be the internal master because one fought, one should be able to point out a plethora of direct techniques one did from their internal style. Same with any kung fu.

Principals are not techniques and do not make up styles.

If one is on forums to spread their fame, good luck. Most long timers are comparing notes and shooting the breeze. No one else is here to fulfill your fanatic quest of unifying 1500 styles into one training approach. Sorry.

Ross brought more content to the site than you so far. That's the truth. AND he made YOUR point better than you.

Challenging older men is, frankly, demeaning oneself and being disrespectful. He looked out for his student, got them an easy match, your teacher didn't.

The irony is that you've accused Ross of being a knuckleheaded kickboxer. You are apparently unaware that that role is completely covered here. Please do not follow up with youtube links proving the grey conspiracy to flouridate North America.

[omarthefish]

WTF is WFT ?

My pron hand is getting carpal tunnel I guess. Is it my fault the Q and the W are right next to each other?

It was supposed to say QFT!

[Pork Chop]

yikes... where to start on this one.... this has some ugly bits... didn't want to get in the middle of all the fighting, but I thought some things needed to be said; no offense intended.

first, college wrestling makes a fraction of a percent of the money that college football does, especially after title IX effectively killed a lot of university wrestling teams across the country, so no, they tend not to give scholarships for wrestling.

two, if you look at those vids and claim it's muay thai, then you have absolutely no background in muay thai. i challenge you to find video of a single muay thai camp in Thailand that does combos like that, throws kicks with the weight like that, throws punches like that, uses that guard, or has those mechanics. San da is it's own thing and tcma has made its contributions to that.

three, interesting you bring up Tyson, cus d'amato never had a single sanctioned fight but he invented the peekaboo style and created hall of famers floyd patterson, mike tyson, and teddy atlas. d'amato's in the boxing hall of fame himself and he'd probably stab you if you showed up at his gym to fight him.

[wenshu]

d'amato's in the boxing hall of fame himself and he'd probably stab you if you showed up at his gym to fight him.

Brilliant.

[Iron_Eagle_76]

Considering Cus died back in 1985, I doubt he would be stabbing anyone, but a valid point nonetheless.

[Ray Pina]

first, college wrestling makes a fraction of a percent of the money that college football does

Agreed

if you look at those vids and claim it's muay thai, then you have absolutely no background in muay thai.

I have zero background in Muay Thai. I also have zero background in Lacross. But I can distinguish it from field hockey, where I also have no experience. As a fighter, I have spent time around Muay Thai but its style of figthing doesn't appeal to me.

I claim its Muay Tai, well, that's what Ross advertises: http://www.nysanda.com/ It't not Lama on his website. And certainly not in the ring.

This is straight from masterkiller above:

. The guy who helps me run classes trained Muay Thai under Mike Parker for years, and I have two college wrestlers (UNLV and OKlahoma) who also assist.

These TCMA folks who go on to develop San Da and MMA fighters, they're using American Muay Tai. I'm not saying it's the real deal and I don't think they are either. Otherwise their fighters would be competing and winning international Muay Thai events.

cus d'amato never had a single sanctioned fight but he invented the peekaboo style and created hall of famers floyd patterson, mike tyson, and teddy atlas.

Don't need to go back that far. I already admit that Ross, a non fighter, has produced good fighters. There's a movie coming out this week about great baseball being produced by computer statistics.

[bawang]

basically you got milked for 10 years, tried to use movie kung fu and lost, and your ego cant take it.

an omega pretending to be alpha.

Don't need to go back that far. I already admit that Ross, a non fighter, has produced good fighters. There's a movie coming out this week about great baseball being produced by computer statistics.

david ross couldnt make the chinatown kung fu work, so he train his students for his past mistakes and follow his vision of what kung fu should be. you on the other hand is a 40 year old man about my dads age, that takes photo of his wrinkled hairy chest half naked.

[hskwarrior]

his wrinkled hairy chest half naked

You sound turned on by that.......uhhhhhhhhhhh OK.

[Ray Pina]

To claim to be the internal master because one fought, one should be able to point out a plethora of direct techniques one did from their internal style. Same with any kung fu.

That's exactly what I'm asking for. Where are these fighting masters with technique to reference?

Principals are not techniques and do not make up styles..

Principles are the foundation of techniques which in turn make up a style. It's starts with principle.

[Ray Pina]

[QUOTE=bawang;1134854]basically you got milked for 10 years, tried to use movie kung fu and lost, and your ego cant take it.

Which video did you see?

The one I posted has me jamming, wedging, following and generally beating people. In and out of the ring.

Not saying I'm great. Not saying I'm a master or even good. Saying I have more evidence to support my claims than most of the people considered "high ranking" in TCMA.

I posted the same video a few months back with the time frames to call out specific TCMA techniques and it was received well. If you have an eye, you'll see it.

Now this is someone without a coach, sparring partners or a corner at the time. If those techniques were nourished in a favorable environment, it could produce a modern competitor.... if combined with BJJ/Judo, etc.

[hskwarrior]

Not saying I'm great. Not saying I'm a master or even good. Saying I have more evidence to support my claims than most of the people considered "high ranking" in TCMA.

No No......you're the martial God. 'member?

[MasterKiller]

This is straight from masterkiller above:

These TCMA folks who go on to develop San Da and MMA fighters, they're using American Muay Tai. I'm not saying it's the real deal and I don't think they are either. Otherwise their fighters would be competing and winning international Muay Thai events.

The leg catches, throws, and elbows I use are certainly Chinese and come from my Kung Fu experience. The primary kick in my Chinese style is a lead-leg front push kick. We use that religiously. Most of the kicks we use come from my Kung Fu training. The seizing and parrying we use is Chinese.

The primary hand formation in my Kung Fu style is a willow palm. It just doesn't translate well into MMA/Kickboxing.

We use Muay Thai round kicks, knees, punching drills, clinch drills, and shielding.

We use BJJ positional dominance, transitions, and submissions.

We use freestyle wrestling takedowns, clinching, and transitions.

As far as I'm concerned, it's all Kung Fu, even when it isn't.