Originally Posted by
Hardwork108
From what I have seen, Ron Paul makes a lot of sense. IMHO, the PRIVATELY owned Federal Reserve is a con-job on the American people. I would love to know the major shareholders of this organization are. I have heard that their names are not in the public domain. Do you know if this is true?
I really don't know much about the Federal Reserve to be honest. I did know that Congressman Paul was for abolishing it though.
Originally Posted by
Hardwork108
I know what you are getting at,but look how long they survived and one can only wonder if they would have survived a whole lot longer if they were not involved in that crazy arms race during the cold war, and had concentrated their efforts at exploiting their natural resources and developing their non-military industry.
On the other hand one can look at countries in Scandenavia where the system seems to be a pretty healthy marriage of socialism with capitalism.
Well, Reagan did say the arms race would bankrupt them, and the man was right.
Socialism/communism has always failed, even in countries where there is no arms race. The premise of socialism, that people will bust their butts for others, is a premise doomed to failure.
Many socialist European countries are facing financial implosions as we speak. None of the Scandinavian ones are YET, but the Dutch just gave the far right Party a huge victory. It appears they do not want to end up like Greece, England, Portugal, etc.
Originally Posted by
Hardwork108
The elite that I talk about are not just rich businessmen. These people eat rich businessmen for lunch. I also believe that their real wealth (power and influence) is never revealed in the public domain, that is the "richest men in America", list, because if it was, then people would start asking questions.
True. That's why I disagree about the "rich" being behind big governments. They have NEVER been the big winners in big government/socialist countries.
Look at Cuba, for example. You do have rich people in Cuba, but they are not "Big Business" guys, they are ruling class guys.
Rich people who call for big government fall into one of 3 categories: 1) the useful idiots-these are the guys who are like the chickens helping out Col Sanders. They are cluless. 2) The ones who think the socialists will allow them to keep their money for helping them win power. These guys are just one step up from the useful idiots. 3) The ones who plan on entering the political class.
Originally Posted by
Hardwork108
Very true, but again he is keeping a business enterprise alive. That enterprise is ultimately owned by the banks and not the US government, because the US government owes trillions of dollars to them.
The UAW got a huge share of both Chrysler and GM. Don't forget that aspect. The "banks" really did not get much out of those bailous.
Originally Posted by
Hardwork108
This is a debt that cannot be paid, at least looking at it at the present. So, in effect the creditors, the BANKS, or more correctly, non-elected BANKERS, whoever, they may be, own the assets of the US government, so the more Obama takes over businesses in the name of "rescuing" them, the more collateral he provides for his creditors to lay claim to. To make matters worse, Obama is INCREASING the government debt by spending even more money that the government does not have.
This is a huge fraud and scam on the American people. It is basically a transfer of wealth to the banking elite, while the government plays the role of the dishonest middle man, lying through its teeth and using sugar coated slogans to carry out as much as this con-job as it can and as soon as it can, as probably it fears people awakening to the scam.
Agreed, but only somewhat.
It's not the bankers who are benefitting, it's the "political class". The banks are losing their abilities to engage in many forms of commerce that make them money, and Obama is now wanting to set their salaries. How is that the banks winning? Obama is not out for the rich, he is out for the political class, people like himself. Notice Obama has never worked a job in the private sector that produces anything.
To me, the political class has become way too detached from reality. You cannot spend your way out of debt. Joe Six-Pack knows this, but yet somehow a brilliant (their words, not mine) man like Obama doesn't know this? Obama truly frightens me. If his policies are enacted and allowed to be in place for an extended period of time, we will financially implode. This is a fact. My only questions is this: Is he doing it because he is flat-out wrong and unwilling/unable to see this or is he doing it on purpose?
Originally Posted by
Hardwork108
The looting will continue until America turns into a two class level society. The elite on top and the working class on the bottom, living in a country whose national identity and true independence has been eroded for a long time, make it end up as just another state in a regional community of countries..
This is a real possibility.
You are 100% correct here. Of course we may disagree on who is on top. I say the elite will be the "political class", not the rich. This is how it ALWAYS ends up when socialism is allowed to run its course.
Originally Posted by
Hardwork108
Obama was brought in to do a job and follow an agenda which has been in existance for a long time and which through different governments has been brought to its fruition. The "War on Terrorism", "Global Warming" scam and others, are also playing their part in centralizing world power and turning once powerful countries into relatively insignificant members withing regional powers, that is the New World Order.
This is a part I'm not willing to buy into however.
Originally Posted by
Hardwork108
The European Community is one such example and element of what I am talking about. we are having a New World Order installed, but somehow, no one asked the people if they wanted to be controlled by a centralized world dictatorship, owned and ultimately controlled, lock, stock and barrel, by private banking interests (families that own them) and their politician yes- men.
But recent elections are showing the people in many of those countries are voting to now move in a different direction, a conservative/free direction.
Originally Posted by
Hardwork108
1bad65, from reading your past posts, I have noticed that you are no lover of socialism nor communism, but this system has been in the works for the West for a long time, going back to at least the early 20th century..
I'll die before I live under socialism/communism, you are right. Of course the socialists have been at EVERY country since they read Marx's garbage. They just haven't gotten as much traction over here as they have in Europe. And that's good, as americans can now look at Europe and see our future if we keep electing people like Obama, Pelosi, and Reid. And I truly hope (and pray) that November will bring a change. If not, I fear we are in HUGE trouble. It's getting dangerously close to the point where it's gonna be too late, our debt is only getting bigger while the Democrats are furiously ramping up entitlements simply to guarantee their re-elections over and over again. But they have failed to see the problem staring them right in the face: Who wants to be the rulers of a bankrupt kingdom?
Originally Posted by
Hardwork108
A communist style systeme is one of the best ways to control the sheep, in a manner of speaking, and every authoritarian regime is looking for ways of controlling the masses as best as they can.
I hope that people snap out of this state of hypnotism that is stopping them from seeing where their being herded!
Agreed 100%
Last edited by 1bad65; 06-10-2010 at 11:20 AM.
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