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    This is good because it's getting a lot of exposure. Both Cung Le and Yi Long offered to fight the guy and it's very doubtful he would fight either of them...and of course this is where everyone says "those guys are MMA/Sanda not Kung Fu!" But both those guys have identified themselves as traditional martial artists and kung fu guys. Obviously both are sport fighters, but if they don't see a necessary distinction why should we?

    You can be a traditional martial artist AND train to fight, even if that means, gasp, putting on gloves and stepping into a ring/cage/lei tai. Let him beat up the phonies, plenty of guys are calling him out, if he's going to duck the legit guys people are going to see through it. If he doesn't duck them, he's going to get his butt kicked.

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    This is 100% TCMA principle. It may be used in non-TCMA also. Since I did learn it from TCMA, I have to say it's TCMA principle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellen Bassette View Post
    This is good because it's getting a lot of exposure. Both Cung Le and Yi Long offered to fight the guy and it's very doubtful he would fight either of them...and of course this is where everyone says "those guys are MMA/Sanda not Kung Fu!" But both those guys have identified themselves as traditional martial artists and kung fu guys. Obviously both are sport fighters, but if they don't see a necessary distinction why should we?

    You can be a traditional martial artist AND train to fight, even if that means, gasp, putting on gloves and stepping into a ring/cage/lei tai. Let him beat up the phonies, plenty of guys are calling him out, if he's going to duck the legit guys people are going to see through it. If he doesn't duck them, he's going to get his butt kicked.

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    Xu himself has a sanda background. He has said from the beginning the challenge doesn't extend to sanda practitioners. I don't think we'll be seeing any more fights involving him now (unless its something sanctioned on Kunlun Fight or similar). He's already catching heat from the Government and has been publicly accused of being a foreign backed anti-China agitator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.Tunks View Post
    Thanks for posting that, B.Tunks.

    I wonder how long before that interview 'disappears'.

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    Am I the only one to spot the glowing cowardice presented by this not so open, open challenge. By not allowing sanda people to issue challenge, Xu is effectively, and knowingly, eliminating the chances of him being challenges by a traditional Chinese fighter that trains to fight.

    Heads up to Xu, traditional Chinese fighters will ALSO be sanda guys more often than not. Sands is a platform traditionalists use to develop their skills.

    Basically I see his challenge like this:

    MMA fighter opens issue challenge to all non fighter sport artists. By specifically excluding traditional fighters he's creating his own odds.

    I know this guy that just got out of prison last year. he served his years for deadly assault. Got in plenty of fights in prison and benches near 600. Hes a fewcking animal he has no pro record but he also makes xu look like a midget. If he takes some tai chi classes will xu fly him to China for a possible mauling? Or will he give another excuse to avoid people he fears may beat him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas View Post
    If he takes some tai chi classes will xu fly him to China for a possible mauling?
    Xu only wants to challenge 100% Taiji guys. He did say that he respects Baji, WC, Tong Bei, XingYi, ... IMO, 100% Taiji guy and a Taiji guy with cross training are complete different.

    The issue is, Can 100% Taiji guy without any cross training be able to fight? This is a very serious question.
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    Who gets to decide what is 100% TaiChi then? If you do the form alone probably not. If you take its contents and train against a resisting partner, why not? Kicking, punching, grappling and throwing is all present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucas View Post
    Am I the only one to spot the glowing cowardice presented by this not so open, open challenge. By not allowing sanda people to issue challenge, Xu is effectively, and knowingly, eliminating the chances of him being challenges by a traditional Chinese fighter that trains to fight.

    Heads up to Xu, traditional Chinese fighters will ALSO be sanda guys more often than not. Sands is a platform traditionalists use to develop their skills.

    Basically I see his challenge like this:

    MMA fighter opens issue challenge to all non fighter sport artists. By specifically excluding traditional fighters he's creating his own odds.
    Good point. Although I liked his interview, IMO, if Xu is as concerned with fraud in the fighting world in China as he says he is, he should have issued challenges to fighters in China whose foreign opponents were paid to throw fights, like Yi Long. He could either state he will not be bribed to lose, or quietly agree to lose and win instead (if he can). By pointing out such fraud and to say he is against it, but be unwilling to face it directly, is a bit telling. Of course, that would also have entailed bigger consequences than he's facing now.

    I realize he said that his beef with the Taiji guy was personal, but in this day and age of social media, was he really naive enough to expect it would only remain between the two of them as individuals?
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    Hiding?

    MMA Fighter Xiaodong Xu goes into Hiding after Beating Tai Chi Master Wei Lei in 10 Seconds
    Vittorio Hernandez | May 13, 2017 12:58 AM EDT


    MMA Versus Tai Chi (Photo : Julian Burns-Brenssell/YouTube)

    In a match between a mixed martial arts expert and a Tai Chi master, who would win? The audience at a venue in Chengdu found out the result which had Chinese now questioning if Tai Chi really has a value when it comes to protecting a person.
    The match had MMA fighter, coach and promoter Xiaodong Xu battle Lei Wei, the Tai Chi master, Daily Star reported. It was actually a fight between a traditional and modern form of martial arts which was won by Xiaodong Xu in 10 seconds.

    10-Second Fight

    At the start, the two men were waiting who would make the first move. The Tai Chi master shows a defense form imitating a crane, while the MMA fighter held his hand in a classic low boxing style. When the two sparred, Xiaodong Xu unleashed multiple punches that caught Lei Wei off guard as he fell on the floor receiving punches. The referee ended the fight in 10 seconds.
    The video of the match become viral with more than 900,000 hits in one week. Following his victory, Xiaodong Xu mocked out forms of Chinese martial arts. Among those who responded to his dare are Kung Fu masters. He further mocked them on Sina Weibo by claiming he would win even if two or three Kung Fu fighters would spar with him.
    His claims angered the Chinese Wushu Association which issued a statement on its website that said the fight between Xiaodong Xu and Lei Wei “violated the morals of martial arts.” As a result, Chinese are now doubting the use of other forms of traditional martial arts.
    Exposing Fraudulence
    However, the MMA fighter who said he fought Lei Wei to fight fraudulence, has become the target. After he went into hiding, Xiaodong Xu said he lost everything, including his career.
    Since the 16th century, Tai Chi has been part of Chinese martial arts culture in which movies and TV dramas made martial artists great heroes in conflict due to their supernatural strength, BBC reported. It is this portrayal of Chinese martial arts – which Xiaodong Xu also studied – that the MMA fighter wanted to expose as full of fraud and hypocrisy that made him fight and beat Tai Chi

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    Am I the only one to spot the glowing cowardice presented by this not so open, open challenge. By not allowing sanda people to issue challenge, Xu is effectively, and knowingly, eliminating the chances of him being challenges by a traditional Chinese fighter that trains to fight.

    Heads up to Xu, traditional Chinese fighters will ALSO be sanda guys more often than not. Sands is a platform traditionalists use to develop their skills.

    Basically I see his challenge like this:

    MMA fighter opens issue challenge to all non fighter sport artists. By specifically excluding traditional fighters he's creating his own odds.

    I know this guy that just got out of prison last year. he served his years for deadly assault. Got in plenty of fights in prison and benches near 600. Hes a fewcking animal he has no pro record but he also makes xu look like a midget. If he takes some tai chi classes will xu fly him to China for a possible mauling? Or will he give another excuse to avoid people he fears may beat him?
    For whoso comes amongst many shall one day find that no one man is by so far the mightiest of all.

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    He actually seems like a good guy when he gets to make his case. Maybe he needs to stick around.
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    This is 100% TCMA principle. It may be used in non-TCMA also. Since I did learn it from TCMA, I have to say it's TCMA principle.
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    We should not use "TCMA is more than combat" as excuse for not "evolving".

    You can have Kung Fu in cooking, it really has nothing to do with fighting!

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    An interesting interview with Xu Xiaodong

    I'm not sure how good this link will be unless you're on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/wong.yuenmi...4346929687102/

    He said a few interesting things in the video:
    "I think Tai Chi fighting skill doesn't exist in 99% of its practitioner's."
    -Xu Xiaodong
    He says the Tai Chi guy that he fought had zero martial arts skills and that anyone, the most average guy could've beat him up, that he did nothing special used no real technique!
    i like this guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lokhopkuen View Post
    I'm not sure how good this link will be unless you're on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/wong.yuenmi...4346929687102/

    He said a few interesting things in the video:
    "I think Tai Chi fighting skill doesn't exist in 99% of its practitioner's."
    -Xu Xiaodong
    He says the Tai Chi guy that he fought had zero martial arts skills and that anyone, the most average guy could've beat him up, that he did nothing special used no real technique!
    i like this guy.
    I think that was just posted on the previous page.

    I have to say I'm impressed by his ability to think independently. A Chinese that can appreciate and admire Japanese is almost unheard of in this country.
    Saying that so publicly might cause him some trouble with the brainwashed nationalists, though. Wouldn't be surprised if he got physically attacked for being a traitor.

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    This made the NYT

    M.M.A. Fighter’s Pummeling of Tai Chi Master Rattles China
    By DIDI KIRSTEN TATLOW
    MAY 10, 2017

    BEIJING — For weeks, the mixed martial arts fighter Xu Xiaodong had been taunting masters of the traditional Chinese martial arts, dismissing them as overly commercialized frauds, and challenging them to put up or shut up.

    After one of them — Wei Lei, a practitioner of the “thunder style” of tai chi — accepted the challenge, Mr. Xu flattened him in about 10 seconds.

    Mr. Xu may have proved his point, but he was unprepared for the ensuing outrage.

    When video of the drubbing went viral, many Chinese were deeply offended by what they saw as an insult to a cornerstone of traditional Chinese culture.

    The state-run Chinese Wushu Association posted a statement on its website saying the fight “violates the morals of martial arts.” The Chinese Boxing Association issued similar criticism.

    An article by Xinhua, the state news agency, called Mr. Xu a “crazy guy,” saying that the fight had caused people to question whether Chinese martial arts were of any use and even to ask, “What exactly are traditional Chinese martial arts?”

    The reaction has been so furious that Mr. Xu has gone into hiding.

    “I’ve lost everything, my career and everything,” he said in a message circulating online. “I think many people misunderstand me. I’m fighting fraudulence, but now I’ve become the target.”

    Many people around the world assumed that this debate had long been settled. Mixed martial arts fighters have for years held exhibition fights against practitioners of traditional martial arts — kung fu, karate and judo among them. The old ways, for all their balletic grace, lost decisively.


    Wei Lei, the tai chi master, faced off against Xu Xiaodong, the mixed martial arts fighter, in Chengdu.

    Known broadly as wushu, traditional Chinese martial arts include such disparate disciplines as qigong, categorized as an “internal” practice that is mostly spiritual, and kung fu, an “external” art that is practiced by the monks of the Shaolin Temple and was popularized around the world by Bruce Lee. There are hundreds of styles of wushu in China, and many overlap.

    Tai chi, while a martial art, is viewed by many today as a spiritual breathing and balance exercise enjoyed by people of all ages, usually performed in slow motion in a quiet park instead of a fight ring.

    Mixed martial arts, or M.M.A., is a “no-holds-barred” fighting style developed over the last century from fighting styles around the world. It began to gain popularity in the United States in the 1980s. While it is violent, it does have rules — including no biting, spitting or gouging.

    The fight between Mr. Xu and Mr. Wei was brutal. As Mr. Wei circled slowly, arms outstretched in a calm tai chi defense, Mr. Xu lunged, jabbed him to the floor, then used a “ground and pound” technique to subdue him. It was all over in about 10 seconds.

    Mr. Xu did not respond to a request for an interview sent to his personal Weibo account a few days after the fight on April 27. Shortly afterward, his account was taken down as the authorities rushed to try to tamp down the controversy.

    A woman reached by telephone at the Battle Club in southeast Beijing, where Mr. Xu works, said he was not giving interviews. She declined to give her name.

    On Wednesday morning, the door of the Battle Club, in the dingy basement of a high-rise, was locked. Photographs of Mr. Xu and other M.M.A. fighters decorated the walls of the stairwell.

    An electrician lingering by a cigarette shop at the top of the stairs said he practiced wushu and had come to check out the club after hearing about the controversy. He said that Mr. Xu had been right to pose his challenge, even though it had infuriated people.

    “No one can avoid fighting,’’ said the man, who gave only his surname, Lian, and a social media username, Ruyi.

    He said defenders of the traditional martial arts were incensed that Mr. Xu had dared to say that they staged impressive performances but were ineffective fighters and that, by doing so, he had threatened their livelihoods.

    Yet Mr. Xu’s ultra-aggressive assault on his tai chi rival had missed an important point, Mr. Lian added.

    “The key difference between what Mr. Xu does and martial arts is that martial arts isn’t a competitive sport,’’ he said. “It’s not about really hurting. It’s about giving your opponent ‘face.’ And Mr. Xu’s style is about beating your opponent to near death.”

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    I think that was just posted on the previous page.
    Indeed it was.
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