I see, its quite difficult to compare huh? Song shan actually has quite a lot of different versions of YinShouGun, also there are 6 roads to it in some clans. The version I practice is quite non standard, but I have seen many others. I want to see if I can match it to any.
I think the staff used these days is shorter and used less spear like than of that time, and now QiMeiGun is the most prevalent.
its the same passage. whats ur point?
because you do not have any education in science and arts, and you speak Chinese on the level of a child.
the only discussion you can have is
-the book is very cool
-I know this book, I am also very cool
-the book mentions some kung fu styles, that is very cool
Last edited by bawang; 10-02-2013 at 09:06 AM.
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Who care about 'modern shaolin'. Whatever is practiced at modern shaolin is just what was done for them to do exhibitions. That's modern shaolin.
BUT the actual traditional Shaolin Quan is being done all around the countryside and that traditional Shaolin is still alive in the small villages all over Henan. And that stuff makes an appearance through various teachers at the modern Shaolin temple, its still learnable.
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@Bawang,
Level of a Child huh? Thats actually true. There are children who have been born since I have been here and yet speak much better Chinese than me. Never the less my translation of said passage was a lot better than yours. It says nothing about fist being a new thing in the world, just that fist practice is not popular as staff and that Shaolin fist has not reached the zenith of Shaolin Staff. This is probably because fist has more variables than staff and so is more complex
This is a Kung Fu forum. It is written word. Very little actual physical training can go on here, so I suggest this is exactly the kind of thing we can talk about. By talking to other people who are interested I am certain we can unlock more of the manuals teachings.
Lets make this more about the manual, less about our personal disagreements.
@ All
For example, let me highlight something; Actually in the majority of the manual he uses Yin grip not to mean the overhand grip, but to mean still the standard underhand grip, except that the palm is facing down and so there is downwards and inside pressure on the staff. Yang grip is the same grip just with the wrist rotated so that the palm is up putting pressure upwards and outside on the staff. This small wrist movement is the essential feature of stopping a thrust to the heart. The difference is just twisting the staff in your hands while keeping a solid grip. The full change to overhand grip is also present but it is something that is confusing me with terminology used. It is also referred to as shortening the staff, which makes sense.
Last edited by RenDaHai; 10-02-2013 at 09:26 AM.
it clearly says boxing is a new thing in shaolin. even your own awkward translation.
you will never allow anything in the ancient manuals that are contradictory to what you have paid for at dengfeng to change your views about kung fu.
that's called an overhand grip
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If we are going to discuss this manual, this is the first thing to be very very clear on.
The rear hand is always the same. The front hand can grip the staff in two ways. Thumb towards you or thumb away. Thumb towards you is overhand grip. This is standard terminology. Thumb away is underhand. However while in underhand (thumb away) you can rotate the staff in your hand so the palm faces either the sky or the earth. This rotation WITHOUT changing grip is the difference between yin and yang grip as mentioned in the manual, and the essential feature of many of the techniques.
If we are all agreed to use this terminology we can start to discuss the techniques clearly.
Last edited by bawang; 10-02-2013 at 09:49 AM.
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Fine, but that terminology is unclear. It doesn't separate the thumb towards grip and thumb away. Changing the grip between thumb towards and thumb away is a huge feature of the staff. The spear never really does this, the fact the staff can shorten in this way is one of its essential features.
For the correct structure of staff technique the precise way in which the front hand grips the staff IS the most essential feature, so we must be clear. It may be a physically small change but it is far from a minor feature.
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You have shown your inexperience BaWang.
In weapons sparring structure is EVERYTHING.
Form is too fast to notice these small features. However in sparring with a spear this small wrist rotation and structure is the difference between parrying and being hit. The strength of the structure is what stops you getting hit.
Correct minute structure makes ALL the difference with long weapons and bladed weapons alike.
Trivial matters like grip??? In Spear technique grip and wrist rotation is perhaps the most important feature.
Last edited by RenDaHai; 10-02-2013 at 10:06 AM.
lol "flick of the wrist"
lol "strength of structure"
do u even manual
Last edited by bawang; 10-02-2013 at 10:17 AM.
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