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    Quote Originally Posted by uki View Post
    ok about the sense... they say that LSD remains in your spinal fluid for 7-8 years... they actually order spinal taps in extreme cases, it's the only way aside from the hair, but mushrooms and LSD are entirely different.
    if it were in the CSF, doing the adjustment really shouldn't have an particular impact on how "active" it is; ihowever, doing some cranial / fascial work (your dad may know it as Sacral Occipital Technique, which is the chiro version of it), u often have people spontaneously "unwinding", where the body on its own assumes an often contorted position, but one that the patient reports as being very comfortable and then often has a recall about how that particular position was one the remember being in after a bad fall, car accident, or some other trauma, including emotional - some people go so far as to relate it to birth trauma, which may be true, although that does get a bit overblown, IMPO; so the point is that you can have a "flashback" about an intense experience in your life based purely on mechanical input of a specific type, be it an adjustment or cranial / fascial release (different "quality" to the touch here, hard to explain, easy to show); in my estimation (and my wife's, who does osteo stuff as well and is also an OB/GYN) there is actually very little difference between the sort of "learning" experience associated with extreme trauma and hallucinogenic experience, in terms of the way it imprints itself in the system (I am not equating the two moralistically, in the sense that drug use is "bad" - personally, I believe u hav the right to ingest / inject whatever u want as long as it doesn't result in someone else being hurt);

    ok, speaking of "illicit" substances, we are about to leave the hotel and go out into the streets of Amsterdam...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin View Post
    Anything that is a crutch, is a crutch.
    crutch implies dependency.

    many people have tried a great deal of substances in the search for the experience without becoming psychologically dependent on the substance to cope with their day to day lives.

    If a person finds they "need" a substance like a recreational drug such as alcohol or marajuana or mushrooms or acid or cocaine et al, then yes, they are using a crutch to live their lives that they really don't need but merely perceive themselves to need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    crutch implies dependency.

    many people have tried a great deal of substances in the search for the experience without becoming psychologically dependent on the substance to cope with their day to day lives.

    If a person finds they "need" a substance like a recreational drug such as alcohol or marajuana or mushrooms or acid or cocaine et al, then yes, they are using a crutch to live their lives that they really don't need but merely perceive themselves to need.
    Anything that one uses that they feel gives them an "edge", whether precieved or real, is a crutch.
    Could they function as well without it?
    If yes, why do it?
    If now, then its is a crutch.
    Be it rooms, steroids, weed or Hardcore P0rn !
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    my crutch is food.
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    wait a second. arent all of us using martial arts as a crutch? OMG IM AN ADDICT!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin View Post
    Anything that is a crutch, is a crutch.
    when ur leg is broke, u need the crutch until it gets better; some people "need" their system augmented in a certain way in order to get to where they "need" to be; as far as addiction, some use chemicals, others use needles - and in this case I mean acupuncture needles - there is a whole syndrome of acupuncture addiction that is well-documented in China!

    my point is that, if one uses a crutch when appropriate, it's a "good" thing; when one no longer "needs" it, then using it is a "bad" thing; MOST people know when to stop using the crutch (or at least when told by their doc when they are allowed full-weight bearing); however, some find that, for whatever reason, they don't want to get back to "normal" and use their crutch - real or metaphorical, to beat others over the head with; for example, many patients I have treated who have fibromyalgia / chronic myofascial pain, when I would treat them too aggressively, they would get upset - not because they hurt worse, but because they stopped hurting altogether (meaning they would walk out of the office pretty much without any complaints) - and they then felt completely at a loss! - they no longer had their pain as an excuse for pretty much everything: couldn't hold their families at bay, beg off work, etc. bec. of pain - in other words, they no longer had the power of their crutch! so they would find a way to fair themselves up or just stop coming or find new things to complain about - you name it, they did it!

    so if someone uses a crutch "inappropriately", the trick is how to ween them off of it in a way that they can handle without totally falling to pieces - that is, if they sincerely do want to get rid of it...and when they do, it's not so hard, really - I've been lucky enough to work with a number of clients with long-standing unresolved pain that really DO want to get better - and this is a lot of fun actually, because if you have the right tools, you can really create an amazing positive impact along with them!

    I think that there should be a similar "profession" of mushroom managers - I nominate Uki for Head of the Order...

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    i second that
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    "Reality is just a crutch for people who can't deal with drugs."
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    Quote Originally Posted by TenTigers View Post
    "Reality is just a crutch for people who can't deal with drugs."
    hahaha!
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    real men are not afraid to face their souls... eat some mushrooms and become a real man... LOL... all these big tough martial arts guys are afraid of a simple little mushroom - amazing.

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    I like when people try to validate their drug use. Sort of like when I try to validate my excessive coffee drinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drake View Post
    I like when people try to validate their drug use. Sort of like when I try to validate my excessive drug use.
    fixed that for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    fixed that for you.
    hahahahaha!!! i wonder if the law was to legalize all these so called "illict" substances if they would then be accepted by the simpleton minds?? LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    fixed that for you.
    And that's absolutely true. However, the effects of caffeine are remarkably less intense than most other drugs. Does it justify my excessive intake of it? Of course not. However, it doesn't cause me to hallucinate, impair my judgment, or negatively affect my ability to use machinery. And it always comes in coffee form. I don't do caffeine pills or "energy" drinks.

    Did you know they have started talking about allowing Soldiers to drink downrange? Problem is, without alcohol, Soldiers are self-medicating from prescription drugs. It's easy. Just go to sick call, say you are upset and sad, and you get drugs.

    I'm not a holier than thou person as much as you might think, but I simply feel it's unnecessary, and many do not think about the long term ramifications of their actions. I do fall into that category.
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